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Old 03-26-2015, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Interesting. Here is the actual Bill for those interested:

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/...ument-92bab197

I am still digesting what it says. Seems that the key words are 'substantially burden' (see Section 9), meaning that a person may claim that to provide services to someone would 'substantially burden' their ability to exercise their religious freedom.

It appears to be rather vague (it does not actually identify gays or such as those imposing the burden). I assume, from my first reading, that one may also use this statute as a defense if they wish to deny service to those who hold different religious beliefs. I shall read it again later.
But discrimination based on religion is banned under the civil rights act as is race, color and national origin.

Does a state law trump federal law?
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The stupidity in this is the power of GREEN (Money). Any business owner should not care what you do outside of his business as long as you have the green to pay him. If they are so stupid to ask questions and want to refuse service or sales, they will not be around long.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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The stupidity in this is the power of GREEN (Money). Any business owner should not care what you do outside of his business as long as you have the green to pay him. If they are so stupid to ask questions and want to refuse service or sales, they will not be around long.
So your a Don't Ask Don't Tell advocate?
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Private businesses should be allowed the FREEDOM to refuse service to anyone they choose.

Well that's exactly what they did in the deep south in the 60's, it seemed fair for businesses to exclude blacks. Very bad business decision and this will not end well for Indiana.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I believe that our system of capitalism and govt. are not about religion.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:47 AM
 
Location: North America
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Freedom? Well sure unless you tow the totalitarian socialist red line.
No, this law will be short lived.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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It's just another example of two force-minded groups, the Fundies and the far-lefties, trying to have it their way exclusively at the expense of everybody else. Another example of how the nation could function far more efficiently, and at far less cost if small groups of one-issue idiots weren't trying to get Big Brother to see it on their terms -- exclusively.
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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But discrimination based on religion is banned under the civil rights act as is race, color and national origin.

Does a state law trump federal law?
Not in the real world.

I believe they try to 'get around' that by the including the following:

This chapter may not be construed to affect, interpret, or in any way address the Establishment Clause”.

It also provides a definition: : “'Establishment Clause' refers to the part of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States or the Constitution of the State of Indiana prohibiting laws respecting the establishment of religion”.

The law seems to be vague. Courts don't like vague laws. As I said, there is nothing therein that actually identifies any 'class' of people. It could be interpreted to include gays, transgenders, atheists, Catholics, veterans, Martians, and those missing fingers or limbs.
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:35 AM
 
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Not in the real world.

I believe they try to 'get around' that by the including the following:

This chapter may not be construed to affect, interpret, or in any way address the Establishment Clause”.

It also provides a definition: : “'Establishment Clause' refers to the part of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States or the Constitution of the State of Indiana prohibiting laws respecting the establishment of religion”.

The law seems to be vague. Courts don't like vague laws. As I said, there is nothing therein that actually identifies any 'class' of people. It could be interpreted to include gays, transgenders, atheists, Catholics, veterans, Martians, and those missing fingers or limbs.
A state law can not allow something that is prohibited by federal law. If the feds have a law that says no dumping toxic waste in rivers the state cannot pass a law that does allow dumping in rivers, well they can pass it but the feds can still prosecute for it.

I see the marijuana laws as the same thing. States have passed laws that allow something prohibited by federal law. So far the feds are not enforcing the laws, but they could if they chose to.
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Private businesses should be allowed the FREEDOM to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Yes, and they should also accept possible ramifications of such. Boycotts, bad publicity etc.
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