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Old 04-07-2015, 10:17 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
It's not irrelevant.

You're trying to draw parallels between Hobby Lobby/paying for birth control, and bakers discriminating, when the parallels do not exist.
They do indeed exist. The BC services HL objected to are only available to women. Gender-based discrimination is illegal. SCOTUS didn't even bat an eye at that, and ruled in HL's favor.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Yep, that's the extreme, no accommodation at all position. You're probably going to be on the prevailing side eventually. The gay/left/majority media propaganda machine won in Indiana, and is on the move.
That's not the extreme. Either follow the states anti-discrimination laws, or don't offer that item.

No one forced the people to open a business, they chose to do so.
By choosing to open a business, you are agreeing to follow the laws of operating a business. Just like getting a drivers license you are agreeing to follow the laws of driving.
If you break the law you can, and probably will, be fined by the state and sued by the party that you harmed.
Works the same for anyone who violates the law.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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How is it irrelevant?
It's irrelevant in regards to SCOTUS's HL ruling.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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They do indeed exist. The BC services HL objected to are only available to women. Gender-based discrimination is illegal. SCOTUS didn't even bat an eye at that, and ruled in HL's favor.
Yet another reason I believe this SCOTUS decision to be wrong, and that it will one day be overturned.

Nonetheless, the cases are not parallel. One dealt with a business PAYING for something, the other deals with a business DISCRIMINATING.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Sneaky😄

So the sign wouldn't bother you?
No, and double no, if it was the only bakery in town offering wedding cakes.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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No, it's still a past sinful act versus present ongoing sinful lifestyle. If you are having a ceremony that celebrates premarital sex, I'm sure the baker wouldn't like that either.
How would they know? If you are asking for laws that exempt you from violating your religious beliefs, then surely you should be making sure that none of your "participation" in any celebration violates ANY of your beliefs.

If the mother to be remains unmarried, is it not still an sinful lifestyle?

How about an anniversary cake for an unmarried couple? Should they check whether they're still virgins? Perhaps a doctor's note?
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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It's irrelevant in regards to SCOTUS's HL ruling.
I'm not talking about the ruling. Is that all you got? Can't think for yourself?
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Not likely. When goods/services are custom-ordered for weddings, both of the names of those to be married are submitted at the time the custom order is made. Why? Same reason why both people are liable for the debt incurred on jointly held credit cards, mortgages, auto loans, etc.
But not before marriage.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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It's irrelevant in regards to SCOTUS's HL ruling.
Because the HL ruling is irrelevant to this thread.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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That's not the extreme. Either follow the states anti-discrimination laws, or don't offer that item.
SCOTUS ruled that HL doesn't have to follow anti-discrimination laws. SCOTUS ruled that HL can decline to povide contraceptive/abortifacient insurance coverge to women. Gender-based discrimination is illegal. SCOTUS ruled HL's First Amendment rights trump that.
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