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Old 03-28-2015, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Obama announced not to long ago that it would administer another round of sanctions. When Iran heard the news, they barked and went to the negotiating table. Iran was worried of a collapse to its economy, which is fragile as we speak.

Crippling sanctions would eventually weaken them into a plausible deal, which they were deceitful in the first place. A better alternative to the third grade argument of war.
Well they don't look very weak to me neither does North Korea, sanctions take their toll but not perfect and it can drive a country further away from peace.

Bolton's proposal is absurd, if either the US or Israel bombed Iran it would drive countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey against us, he should keep his opinions to himself.
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Old 03-28-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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Bolton, the former Bush administration recess appointment U.S. ambassador and one of the key masterminds of the Iraq fiasco, has never met a foreign policy problem that can't be solved by bombing the problem nation. This guy dodged the draft during Vietnam not surprisingly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/op...iran.html?_r=0
I don't particularly like Bolton, but he's right though. We either go to war with Iran or accept that they will have nukes and that many of their neighbors will follow suit. There is nothing in between. The more we allow nuclear proliferation, the more likely it is that we will end up in a nuclear war.
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Old 03-28-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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I don't particularly like Bolton, but he's right though. We either go to war with Iran or accept that they will have nukes and that many of their neighbors will follow suit. There is nothing in between. The more we allow nuclear proliferation, the more likely it is that we will end up in a nuclear war.
That isn't his position. His position is we should bomb them. To stop them though would take a full out invasion which would most certainly lead to retaliation.

Iran has absolutely nothing to gain by attacking anyone. Surely you can understand their defensive position what with so many calling for an attack on them.
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Well they don't look very weak to me neither does North Korea, sanctions take their toll but not perfect and it can drive a country further away from peace.

Bolton's proposal is absurd, if either the US or Israel bombed Iran it would drive countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey against us, he should keep his opinions to himself.
Iran's economy is crap right now. The Iranian citizen Is feeling the pinch, not you or the Mullah's. Iran is pulling the same stunt as North Korea and if they are successful, then the NPT is useless.

Wrong. The Gulf Coast are the biggest advocates of Western airstrikes. They want the Western World to take the bull by the horns. A strike on Iran will be a last resort option and it will be supported by everyone but Iran and Russia.
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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If you want to get into another war then you are certainly free to sign up. I doubt you will though. You just want everyone else to do it.
Don't complain when oil prices are $2 more and American imports twice the $$.
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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Iran's economy is crap right now. The Iranian citizen Is feeling the pinch, not you or the Mullah's. Iran is pulling the same stunt as North Korea and if they are successful, then the NPT is useless.

Wrong. The Gulf Coast are the biggest advocates of Western airstrikes. They want the Western World to take the bull by the horns. A strike on Iran will be a last resort option and it will be supported by everyone but Iran and Russia.
But you already know that a strike won't work. You also know that it'll lead to full blown Iranian retaliation...which leads to a war.

You know ALL of this.

You also know that Iran can't be defeated in an all out invasion of their country. You also know that ground troops must be introduced into Iran proper because air strikes are insufficient.

So tell me...do you plan to participate in that war?
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Old 03-28-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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Iran's economy is crap right now. The Iranian citizen Is feeling the pinch, not you or the Mullah's. Iran is pulling the same stunt as North Korea and if they are successful, then the NPT is useless.

Wrong. The Gulf Coast are the biggest advocates of Western airstrikes. They want the Western World to take the bull by the horns. A strike on Iran will be a last resort option and it will be supported by everyone but Iran and Russia.
There are Arab factions that want to pull out of the battle of Tikrit if the US continues it's involvement, Turkey and others would not react well to us bombing Iran. This would give extremists in Saudi Arabia and Egypt reason to believe this was the beginning of a US invasion.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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But you already know that a strike won't work. You also know that it'll lead to full blown Iranian retaliation...which leads to a war.

You know ALL of this.

You also know that Iran can't be defeated in an all out invasion of their country. You also know that ground troops must be introduced into Iran proper because air strikes are insufficient.

So tell me...do you plan to participate in that war?
So what do you oppose then? Appeasing and pretending their wonderful potential peace partners? What happens when they become nuclear and decided to continue its embark for its Persian empire?

You also not understanding the significance of this good deal. If the NPT fails, then other countries will pursue nuclear weapons from all over the world. Do you notice that almost every country in the Middle East has either have had their government toppled or in strife? Imagine if Syria has nuclear weapons? Or Iraq?

Don't be coy with me, I am simply speaking about the interests of the U.S. Foreign Policy is more complicated than you want it too be. And if one more person pretends that I advocate war, Im going to flip.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:40 PM
 
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There are Arab factions that want to pull out of the battle of Tikrit if the US continues it's involvement, Turkey and others would not react well to us bombing Iran. This would give extremists in Saudi Arabia and Egypt reason to believe this was the beginning of a US invasion.
What... The only thing the Arab countries care about right now is stopping Iran from flipping taking over their countries and toppling Assad.

There is no clean side on a turd. They are all just as bad, but Iran is the king of bad.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:54 PM
 
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So what do you oppose then? Appeasing and pretending their wonderful potential peace partners? What happens when they become nuclear and decided to continue its embark for its Persian empire?

You also not understanding the significance of this good deal. If the NPT fails, then other countries will pursue nuclear weapons from all over the world. Do you notice that almost every country in the Middle East has either have had their government toppled or in strife? Imagine if Syria has nuclear weapons? Or Iraq?

Don't be coy with me, I am simply speaking about the interests of the U.S. Foreign Policy is more complicated than you want it too be. And if one more person pretends that I advocate war, Im going to flip.
Go ahead and flip. I want you to. Wish I could be there to see it.

You haven't denied that airstrikes will lead to war. You know we can't win that war.

Soooo...
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