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Old 03-30-2015, 01:24 PM
 
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Umm... that wasn't in the OP's post. You said that.
Ummm...it was a question...and a proposition. You're having difficulty understanding simple conversation, or you're just looking to pick a fight. Good luck with that.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Ah yes, the rallying cry of those who want to see individual states or even cities battle it out for a race to the bottom.
No, try thinking positive. The "majority" of people on welfare/handouts/whatever are capable of taking responsibility for themselves. When one actually works and becomes independent, one gains tremendous self-respect and good feeling about accomplishment. That's human nature. That is what created America and what gives any one the ability to feel good about themselves, which leads to more incentive, which leads to a better life. Do you have a problem with that? I don't.

I believe everyone should have the opportunity and actually the responsibility to accomplish success that gives them a better life and opens doors to enjoy and progress.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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Anyone ever give any thought to the fact that those on welfare and gimme, gimme from Government are voting from a "conflict-of-interest" position? These people expect working people to pay their taxes which now include higher taxes in order to pay the welfare to those not earning their way by taking responsibility for themselves.

Food for thought! We can't take their vote away, so the alternative is to make a way for them to take responsibility for themselves. Welfare and any give away should be in the hands of entities at local levels...never Federal or State governments and very little in County and less in City. Only locals know who really needs help and why!
Other than an authoritarian government, how do you propose we "make" people take responsibility for themselves?

Only locals know? How big is your town? Those of us who live in cities have a different take on things.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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All I want to do is earn a paycheck, put my money in a low-risk savings account, not have to worry about its value being inflated away by the government printing money to pay for warfare and welfare, and then I want to be able to buy assets with those savings and not have to worry about those assets being taken away or taxed to death. I want to pay only foe the government services that I use.

Why does the government punish people like me? Why does it instead reward people who don't work or who spend more than they make?
I agree with you except for the part that I bolded.

Unfortunately, people cannot "pick and choose" what services they are willing to pay for, or there very likely would not be money available for the more unpopular functions that government administers (such as collecting taxes to pay for the services we DO want).

For example, if it were possible, I would choose my taxes to be allocated as follows:

Health Services (including medical research and health protection): 25%
Education and the Arts: 25%
Welfare (including Disability and Social Services): 5%
Foreign Involvement (including foreign aid and military presence): 10%
Domestic Protection (FEMA, National Guard, etc.): 3%
Justice (prisons, courts, immigration enforcement, DHS, etc.): 10%
Agriculture (including Forestry and National Parks): 5%
Commerce: 1%
Transportation: 15%
Administration: 1%

I think it would be interesting to see the results of of a poll or study that asked how other U.S. citizens would choose to have their taxes spent if it were up to them.

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Old 03-30-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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I agree with you except for the part that I bolded.

Unfortunately, people cannot "pick and choose" what services they are willing to pay for, or there very likely would not be money available for the more unpopular functions that government administers (such as collecting taxes) to pay for the services we DO want.

I think would be interesting, though, to see the results of a study on how people would allocate their money if they could choose from the following:

Health Services (including medical research)
Education and the Arts
Welfare (including Disability and Social Services)
Foreign Involvement (including military overseas)
Domestic Protection (FEMA, National Guard, etc.)
Justice (prisons, courts, immigration enforcement, DHS, etc.)
Agriculture (including Forestry and National Parks)
Commerce
Transportation
Administration
Etc.

For example, if it were possible, I would choose my taxes to be allocated as follows:

Health Services (including medical research and health protection): 25%
Education and the Arts: 25%
Welfare (including Disability and Social Services): 5%
Foreign Involvement (including foreign aid and military presence): 10%
Domestic Protection (FEMA, National Guard, etc.): 3%
Justice (prisons, courts, immigration enforcement, DHS, etc.): 10%
Agriculture (including Forestry and National Parks): 5%
Commerce: 1%
Transportation: 15%
Administration: 1%
I applaud your dedication. Myself, I hate shopping.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Oh really?

Why does the government punish people like me? Why does it instead reward people who don't work or who spend more than they make?

Since when is taking care of yourself a reward?
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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Ummm...it was a question...and a proposition. You're having difficulty understanding simple conversation, or you're just looking to pick a fight. Good luck with that.
Last comment from me on this - you suggested that he may be looking to be rewarded. He didn't say that.

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All I want to do is earn a paycheck, put my money in a low-risk savings account, not have to worry about its value being inflated away by the government printing money to pay for warfare and welfare, and then I want to be able to buy assets with those savings and not have to worry about those assets being taken away or taxed to death. I want to pay only foe the government services that I use.

Why does the government punish people like me? Why does it instead reward people who don't work or who spend more than they make?
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If you're looking to be rewarded, you've answered your own question. Quit your job and go on welfare. Your words, not mine.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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All I want to do is earn a paycheck, put my money in a low-risk savings account, not have to worry about its value being inflated away by the government printing money to pay for warfare and welfare, and then I want to be able to buy assets with those savings and not have to worry about those assets being taken away or taxed to death. I want to pay only foe the government services that I use.

Why does the government punish people like me? Why does it instead reward people who don't work or who spend more than they make?
Sorry buddy. If you don't have as much money as Mitt Romney, then clearly you aren't as smart and/or hard working as he is.

My advice: go on welfare. I'm told that those folks eat steak every night and live in luxury condos.

Well what are you waiting for?
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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If the government stopped interfering with your life people would soon realize that those in political power are not only not to be trusted, they're not needed!
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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Since when is taking care of yourself a reward?
You quoted me, but the italicized words were from the OP.

The OP uses the terms punishment and reward. I rarely use those terms, so you should ask him.
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