Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Schultz was mocked for his insanity by The Daily Show frequently.
When a heavily liberal show like that thinks you're a joke, it's gonna rub off on the whole network.
Kinda like how Glenn Becks crazy really stood out on Fox.
Yeah, when you get into the extremes on either side you start to seriously limit who your potential audience is going to be.
MSNBC has tracked left on issues where it doesn't make any sense. For example, they immediately jumped out and blamed the police officer in the Ferguson shooting rather than waiting for the investigation to be completed. As it turns out, the officer did nothing wrong. To this day, they have never recanted their inflammatory coverage of that story. They did the same thing with the Zimmerman case. Watching Sharpton march in the streets against the police and then go live on the air masquerading as a news commentator was pretty intellectually insulting to say the least. The fact is, most Americans don't appreciate repeatedly being told what terrible racists they are when the majority of them just voted for a black president twice in a row. I generally like Maddow, mostly because she's really intelligent, but she really should try harder to present both sides of the story more often. There are a number of talking heads on MSNBC that need to be replaced with more moderate, mainstream people if they want to maintain their relevance. Currently, they seem to want to target the left wing college student ideologues, but someone needs to let them know that college kids don't watch prime time news.
Fox had the same kind of problem when they allowed Beck to go on the air and try to sell crazy to their audience. He was nuts and it turned people off. But they got rid of him and went with more mainstream talking heads like Kelly. Bill O'Reilly frequently produces a pretty good program. It's definitely right-leaning, but it's undoubtedly the best prime time show on cable news for a number of reasons. I watch it a couple of times a month and it's fairly entertaining. Overall, I think Fox has a much better understanding of who the prime time cable news audience is and they are better able to capitalize on it.
I also hear many people on this forum talking about how the MSNBC audience is more internet friendly and that's the future. Well, in my opinion there is no comparison between MSNBC's website and Fox's website. MSNBC.com is a political propaganda machine and nothing more.
In summary, there are only so many ideologues on either side. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Fox at least tries to appeal more to the middle. MSNBC only tries to appeal to the far left. Hence their ratings.
Ed Schultz was never really liberal, he was just a hateful, angry individual who was very unhappy with his career and lashed out at those he resented. Glenn Beck was at least a showman and wasn't afraid to explore controversial ideas that weren't main stream. MSNBC has Rachel Maddow a talentless hack who thinks she's smarter than her viewers( she isn't), Chris Matthews, a bozo who barely makes an effort to be professional, Lawrence Odonnell, a pinch faced sneering socialist that you can't help hating, and Chris Hayes who's a mix of the rest with no talent or experience or insights to fall back on.
Add to these goons a group of guest gargoyles that are repulsive physically or mentally or mostly both, and who wants to watch? Its like a pit of snakes. Interesting for about 30 seconds, but who'd want to watch it every day?
How is that exhibit D when it was already exhibit C? In post 116
In Exhibit D I highlighted the term "hive-mind" to bring attention to that particular example of attack mode. I didn't highlight it in exhibit in Exhibit C.
Obama is the President of the United States.
Obama has fundamentally transformed our healthcare system.
The economy is growing nicely, and had improved steadily since the Bush Recession.
Obama has ended both mismanaged wars.
Gay marriage is legal in dozens of states and will soon be the law of the land.
Illegal immigration is FAR lower than under the Bush Regime.
This is what you call failure?
The ONLY reason Republicans control the legislature is their massive gerrymandering. Even with majorities in both houses they can't pass a single bill into law.
Republicans' voter base is a shrinking minority- and they can't expand their constituency without alienating their xenophobic base.
Sorry dude... if this is your idea of success... you can keep it.
Well turkey, just a couple of comments.
"Obama is the President of the United States." Thank you genius, NOBODY knew that.
"Obama has fundamentally transformed our healthcare system." I know you DON'T care what the majoroity of the American people think but, EVERY poll has since its inception has shown the MAJORITY DO NOT like O Care.
Obama's OWN admin admits that AFTER all is implemented there will STILL be 30 MILLION un-insured which is one of the numbers used by Obama and his supporters as a reason FOR O Care, "to insure the 30 million without insurance.
"The economy is growing nicely, and had improved steadily since the Bush Recession."
Growing yes, nicely I don't think so. It is growing IN SPITE of Obama NOT because of him.
"Obama has ended both mismanaged wars."I guess you missed it was OBAMA "mis-managing both wars for the past 6 years.
Please show us pictures of the enemy signing surrender papers like at the end of WWII. I must have missed the grand photo op.
We did OT win. Obama quit. I had hoped after Viet nam we would NEVR "quit" befoe the job ws finished. Sorrowfully, I am wrong.
All those American military people died in vain, just like Viet Nam, because we quit BEFORE the job was finished.
"Gay marriage is legal in dozens of states and will soon be the law of the land." Sadly you care ORE about this then you do for ALL the dead American military.
What does Obama have to do with it anyway? it is a state by state issue.
"Illegal immigration is FAR lower than under the Bush Regime." ONLY because Obama EVEY person turned away at the border as being "deported".
The border patrol, you know the ones who are ACTUALLY at the border, say otherwise.
"This is what you call failure?" This is what you call success? if so, heaven help us.
"The ONLY reason Republicans control the legislature is their massive gerrymandering." Explain how the repubs won with gerrymandering when the dems had the control of BOTH houses.
Your LACK of knowledge about gerrymandering is astounding.
" Even with majorities in both houses they can't pass a single bill into law."
Again, your lack of knowledge is astounding.
"Republicans' voter base is a shrinking minority" Right. MORE state legislatures are NOW controlled by REUPS. MORE state have a REPUB GOVONORS.
The repubs NOW control BOTH houses of Congress.
You REALLY need to do more research BEFORE making such claims which are easy to debunk.
You cons don't want diversity of opinion. You want the media to be controlled 100% by conservatives. That's why you get so giddy over Fox's high ratings, because the higher their ratings are the lower the liberal ratings are the closer we are to having that
I don't claim to be a conservative. Maybe libertarian. And I tend to lean left on social issues. And having any one group, party, or ideology controlling the media is something I'm 100% against. Having both Fox and MSNBC is a good thing in my opinion. So I would not want to see MSNBC go under. But I get the impression that some of the posters on this thread would be happy to see Fox shut down.
I don't claim to be a conservative. Maybe libertarian. And I tend to lean left on social issues. And having any one group, party, or ideology controlling the media is something I'm 100% against. Having both Fox and MSNBC is a good thing in my opinion. So I would not want to see MSNBC go under. But I get the impression that some of the posters on this thread would be happy to see Fox shut down.
The O administration would probably love for Fox to shut down.
Then they'd be a huge step closer to their dream of state-run media.
Follow the money because that's what it's about, making money.
Fox can charge more for commercials because they have a bigger audience. They have a bigger audience because they have no competition with their opinion shows that offer a viewpoint none of the other networks have. MSNBC took a look at Fox's success and decided they could have a bigger audience if they went far left. But, there are 50 shades of lefties and there are other networks lefties can go to like PBS, the 3 broadcast networks and CNN. MSNBC's ratings are low, not because of Fox News but because the other lefty networks (which are all of the rest except Fox News) do a better job of attracting viewers.
If some other network wanted to diminish Fox News ratings, they'd offer another conservative news outlet.
You do notice that it's the opinion shows getting the ratings on Fox News, right? If the news show got high ratings Shepard Smith would still have a 7:00P one hour news show.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
, what people watch is a testament to what?
MSNBC Ratings Hit All-Time Low, Fox News Sees 10% Primetime Rise
