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Old 04-02-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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"‘Proud of yourself sweetie?’: Trolls attack reporter who quoted anti-LGBT pizza shop owner"
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/p...za-shop-owner/
When opinions can create thought crime and such instant hysterics, both sides can enjoy the toasty warmth inside the blast radius.

As lead antagonist in the entire drama, she gets whatever negative publicity comes her way. Thing is, Marino will probably have a 5 year deal for a prime time show on MSNBC before I get done typing this.

 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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I've posted several time on this board about a lawsuit from 1964 (Piggie park BBQ). The owner was Christian with the sincere religious belief that God commanded the races not mix. Now, the owner (Maurice Bessinger) didn't blanket discriminate against black people - he would sell them food to go - but under no circumstances would he seat and serve black people in his restaurants.

Was Maurice Bessinger a racist? By the logic underlying your quote above, don't you have to answer "no"? He didn't blanket discriminate against black people - he only did so when it conflicted with this religious beliefs.
This business has no problem with serving gay people in their store. They only object to catering an event that forces them to violate their right to practice their religion freely. Gay people are not being systematically denied service due to an owner's religious objections, and the Indiana law specifically does not allow casual discrimination. This story is being completely blown out of proportion, assuming that its going to lead to widespread discrimination of gays.

Today, its hard to find actual incidents of the presumed story of gays being denied service actually happening. With how much bigotry and hatred is suggested by slippery-slope fear mongers, it should be easy to find dozens or hundreds of stories where gay people are being refused various types of services. But the debate always went back to tiny number of actual incidents.

The truth is, most Christian business owners don't discriminate against gay people. They'll serve them, they'll provide services for their weddings. They'll rent them apartments. They'll give them jobs. Businesses that are found to be legitimately hateful or bigoted will be singled out and quickly go bankrupt.

Besides, I believe that anyone should have the right to turn down business with any party for any reason they choose. We should all have that freedom. A gay screenprinter should be able to turn down a Christian's traditional-marriage shirts. A Black person should be able deny catering a KKK rally. This maximizes freedom for all, while blatantly hateful business owners will go out of business quickly once they're exposed.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Except that nobody ordered those pizzas and nobody was refused service.
Then the shop owner should have said "we have never refused service to anyone" Full stop.

What a business owner says has a direct impact on what people think of that business.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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Keep spinning. No one's property is being seized. Just because someone owns property, doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants with it. Regulation of commerce is a cornerstone of the Constitution. Property owners are bound by law. Business owners are bound by law. Sorry, your whine is quite weak.
Whatever you say, Sturmabteilung.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The photographer does not have to OFFER wedding photography. They could do childrens pictures, portraits, nature photography, etc.

The baker could make rolls, birthday cakes, cookies, donuts, breads, pies, cheesecake, strawberry shortcake, etc.

Businesses do not have the right to violate anti-discrimination laws. They can go open a business not relaed to weddings, or a private club.
Well thanks for telling a photographer what he may or may not offer! Who the hell do you think you are?

The bakery that has since gone out of business, specialized in custom designed wedding cakes. That was her passion.

Again, who the hell do you think you are?

Businesses absolutely have the right to discriminate in this way. They cannot be forced against their will to participate in sin.

"Liberty for me, but not for thee."


Christian Man Asks Thirteen Gay Bakeries To Bake Him Pro-Traditional Marriage Cake, And Is Denied Service By All Of Them (WATCH THE SHOCKING VIDEO) - Walid Shoebat
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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This business has no problem with serving gay people in their store. They only object to catering an event that forces them to violate their right to practice their religion freely. Gay people are not being systematically denied service due to an owner's religious objections, and the Indiana law specifically does not allow casual discrimination. This story is being completely blown out of proportion, assuming that its going to lead to widespread discrimination of gays.

Today, its hard to find actual incidents of the presumed story of gays being denied service actually happening. With how much bigotry and hatred is suggested by slippery-slope fear mongers, it should be easy to find dozens or hundreds of stories where gay people are being refused various types of services. But the debate always went back to tiny number of actual incidents.

The truth is, most Christian business owners don't discriminate against gay people. They'll serve them, they'll provide services for their weddings. They'll rent them apartments. They'll give them jobs. Businesses that are found to be legitimately hateful or bigoted will be singled out and quickly go bankrupt.

Besides, I believe that anyone should have the right to turn down business with any party for any reason they choose. We should all have that freedom. A gay screenprinter should be able to turn down a Christian's traditional-marriage shirts. A Black person should be able deny catering a KKK rally. This maximizes freedom for all, while blatantly hateful business owners will go out of business quickly once they're exposed.
You didn't answer my question:

Was Maurice Bessinger a racist? By your logic denying that these pizza purveyors are homophobic, don't you have to answer "no"? He didn't blanket discriminate against black people - he only did so when it conflicted with this religious beliefs.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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Then the shop owner should have said...
...the correct words and phrases to placate a thug looking for a victim.

Be intellectually honest about it.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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Whatever you say, Sturmabteilung.
Hilarious. Hitler imprisoned gays. You are a very confused man.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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The true idiot in all of this is Mike Pence. If you want to blame someone, blame him. He was asleep at the switch. Perhaps Jan Brewer should have given him a heads-up.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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these same whites whining about this would ban blacks if they could as well.
Posts like this illustrate the need for a negative rep button.
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