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Old 04-02-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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No, he is an idiot because anyone with two brain cells should have seen the reaction a mile away.
Hard to, considering there wasn't anywhere this kind of hysterics in 1993 when the federal RFRA was passed, nor anytime in the 30 other states that either amended their state constitution, passed a similar law of had a judicial precedent like it.

Whatever. Good for the O'Conners, now over $211k and counting. Alyssa Marino's hatchet job has turned into a pretty serious windfall. Good for them.

 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The times...they are a'changin'.

Beliefs can't be changed with boycotts. Indeed, someone who felt his beliefs were being attacked must have some pretty weak beliefs.

This is about behavior, not beliefs. In the 21st century, society has decided that gay people should not be discriminated against. It's that simple. Don't want to serve gays? Don't go into business. Your choice. Get with the program...or get the hell out of the way.
The 21st century or not, does not give you or anyone else the right to force me to participate in the celebration of a homosexual faux "marriage." What God has said remains as relevant today as it did millennia ago. His Word does not change with time.

And my rights, under our Constitution, to religious liberty and the free exercise thereof, have been affirmed, even as to these cases, by the Supreme Court's decision in the case involving Hobby Lobby, and also their ruling on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. In fact, the Supreme Court virtually invited states to pass their own laws regarding these very issues.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: North America
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Hard to, considering there wasn't anywhere this kind of hysterics in 1993 when the federal RFRA was passed, nor anytime in the 30 other states that either amended their state constitution, passed a similar law of had a judicial precedent like it.

Whatever. Good for the O'Conners, now over $211k and counting. Alyssa Marino's hatchet job has turned into a pretty serious windfall. Good for them.

If you can't recognize that the landscape has changed in the twenty two years since that law was passed than you should not be in politics. So no, it was not hard to have seen that the reaction was not going to be positive.I don't have an issue with them getting money either. As far as I am concerned one should not be punished for an opinion.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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Exactly. A business owner cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation, which Memories Pizza hasn't done, but they DO have the First Amendment right to exercise their religion by refusing to play a participatory role (provide goods and/or services) in a same-sex wedding ceremony if their religion prohibits same-sex marriage.

Too many brain dead people posting garbage in this thread.
If "providing goods and/or services" is equivalent to "a participatory role," then I'd guess every Christian business opposed to gay marriage would need to close shop.

<phone rings>

Pizzeria: Hello.

Caller: Hello. This is your pepperoni supplier. I just got a call from the hog producer. I can't supply you with any more pepperoni until you sign a form requiring you to not serve gays. It seems the feed manufacturer is opposed to gay marriage, and told the hog producer what I'm telling you now.

Brain dead, indeed.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Googling "Big Gay Pizza Parlor".... tap, tap, tap.... darn, no luck. Guess I just have to take my chances I'm not placing an order with "Big Homophobic Pizza Parlor". How ever shall I hope to know? There outta be a law...
Funny, this was the fourth result on my google search.


http://m.yelp.com/biz/13th-street-go...a-philadelphia


But if you can't find one thats gay owned, I seriously doubt that you couldn't easily find any number of pizzeria's that would be happy to provide a gay wedding with as many pizzas as you'd care to order.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: North America
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Nope. A state law cannot trump a Constitutional right.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you on this matter. So yes, a state anti discrimination law can trump a Constitutional right if the State can prove it has a compelling interest to do so.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The 21st century or not, does not give you or anyone else the right to force me to participate in the celebration of a homosexual faux "marriage."

...And my rights, under our Constitution, to religious liberty and the free exercise thereof, have been affirmed, even as to these cases, by the Supreme Court's decision in the case involving Hobby Lobby, and also their ruling on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. In fact, the Supreme Court virtually invited states to pass their own laws regarding these very issues.
Exactly. If one's religion prohibits same-sex marriage, no one can force that person, business owner or not, to play a participatory role (provide goods and/or services) in a same-sex wedding ceremony. That's a protected First Amendment right.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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The 21st century or not, does not give you or anyone else the right to force me to participate in the celebration of a homosexual faux "marriage." What God has said remains as relevant today as it did millennia ago. His Word does not change with time.

And my rights, under our Constitution, to religious liberty and the free exercise thereof, have been affirmed, even as to these cases, by the Supreme Court's decision in the case involving Hobby Lobby, and also their ruling on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. In fact, the Supreme Court virtually invited states to pass their own laws regarding these very issues.
Hobby Lobby is a closely-held corporation. The Indiana law is so broad as to include anyone. Apples and oranges.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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Exactly. If one's religion prohibits same-sex marriage, no one can force that person, business owner or not, to play a participatory role (provide goods and/or services) in a same-sex wedding ceremony. That's a protected First Amendment right.
Sorry. The Commerce Clause says differently.

And please stop with the "participatory role" nonsense.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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Nope. A state law cannot trump a Constitutional right.
That's why state laws banning marriages under a certain age and statutory rape laws don't apply to me and my wife. Our religion commands that women get married and start producing children immediately after puberty. It's our religious right - mine and my 11 year old wife - to marry each other and have children, and the 1st Amendment means the government can't stop us.
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