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Old 04-04-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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Somewhat agree.

Word is lots of Mexico is pretty and the weather there is a hell of a lot better than most of the US like as in no real winter. Many anglo whites along with other US citizens would move there once US "Rule of Law" was in place and ENFORCED.

Mexico's birthrate is about replacement level and dropping further. Too; word is immigration of Mexicans into the US in 2015 is now "0", meaning that for 1 that comes in legal or illegally, 1 leaves the US going back home.

It'd be a hell of a lot easier to close and lock the border with Guatemala than it would be with Mexico.
There is a lot of incentive to go back to Mexico wrt cost of living. I have relatives from Mexico. They come here to get a college education and go back to Mexico after receiving their degree. Many could stay here but a degree from a US college goes a long way in Mexico.



As far as Mexico being a good or bad Ally, they are neither. They are of no value Militarily when we are at war like Canada or the UK. They are a value as a trade partner and on minor political issues but often take the opposite side of the US. I would say their net value as an good Ally is neutral. Their location is the only reason why they are as close of an Ally as they are.

As far as Israel being a good or bad Ally, that's a little harder. Israel has the precarious position of being demonized by the populations of their Sunni neighbors at the same time as being used by those Sunni Governments to offset Iran's Shia influence in the middle east. Militarily they are a good trading partner for us because we have shared technology that is a gain for US and Israel. As long as we have interests in the middle east Israel will be a key player that we can and will use to our advantage. I would say their value as an Ally, militarily and politically, drastically changes depending on the situation..

 
Old 04-04-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Good points !
If scobby agrees with you, you know there's a problem.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about other than your parroting LWNJ talking points.
Scobby isn't LWNJ. He's a muslim frenchie with hamas sympathies.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Not true,we need mexicans more than they need us,they get the worst jobs, no Americans would want,the lowest wages, under unbearable conditions, we export arms to drug cartel so it is not true at all.
Mexican governments have been a US ally for more than a century.
If more Americans had those jobs, especially when they were teenagers, they'd be more motivated to improve themselves instead of living off government handouts because those jobs are beneath them. Sadly Democrats would rather buy votes with handouts than actually help people.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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That's not what the right-wingers want,when they talk illegal immigration,they only mean

Mexicans or Latinos in general,they never mean or target Europeans or Canadians.

Ask any Republicans ? It"s always about Mexico
More outright lies and dishonesty from the left (surprising no one). Conservatives want ALL illegals out of the country. Why is Mexico often brought up? Oh I don't know maybe because there are a million times more illegals here from Mexico than from Sweden. But no liberal will admit that, that would take a shred of intellectual honesty.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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More outright lies and dishonesty from the left (surprising no one). Conservatives want ALL illegals out of the country. Why is Mexico often brought up? Oh I don't know maybe because there are a million times more illegals here from Mexico than from Sweden. But no liberal will admit that, that would take a shred of intellectual honesty.
That would defeat their Mantra, that anyone on the Right of center is a Bigot. It's the only card they have. Where the people come from doesn't matter. It's not like they have any solutions, it always "were not them, so vote for us regardless of how bad we are" I'm clearly a moderate, former Dem turned Ind, good with Gay marriage, Pro Choice, Women's rights, freedom of religion as long as it doesn't interfere with my rights, but like many here without maintaining our borders and sovereignty we cease to become a nation. The outright disregard of our borders and laws needs to stop, not being encouraged.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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From a purely logical viewpoint, it would be better to have our neighbor as an ally, rather than a small country, halfway around the globe. Also it would logically be better to have as an ally a country that does not get in wars every decade or so.

If not for our addiction to cheap oil and Israel being our ally, would we have been at war in the Middle East for the last twenty years?

As far as "illegal immigrants" and "drug cartels", corporate America needs cheap labor and the drug cartels need customers, neither can be totally blamed on Mexico.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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From a purely logical viewpoint, it would be better to have our neighbor as an ally, rather than a small country, halfway around the globe. Also it would logically be better to have as an ally a country that does not get in wars every decade or so.

If not for our addiction to cheap oil and Israel being our ally, would we have been at war in the Middle East for the last twenty years?

As far as "illegal immigrants" and "drug cartels", corporate America needs cheap labor and the drug cartels need customers, neither can be totally blamed on Mexico.
Sorry, but the suppliers are just as guilty as the users in both cases.
 
Old 04-04-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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Sorry, but the suppliers are just as guilty as the users in both cases.
Which is why I said "neither can be totally blamed on Mexico."
 
Old 04-04-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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From a purely logical viewpoint, it would be better to have our neighbor as an ally, rather than a small country, halfway around the globe. Also it would logically be better to have as an ally a country that does not get in wars every decade or so.

If not for our addiction to cheap oil and Israel being our ally, would we have been at war in the Middle East for the last twenty years?

As far as "illegal immigrants" and "drug cartels", corporate America needs cheap labor and the drug cartels need customers, neither can be totally blamed on Mexico.
Mexico is a barely functioning nation, the Mexican government has less and less actual control the further away you get from Mexico City.

Allies with Mexico? Sure, after we finish what we started in 1848 and take over the whole place. In the long run it would be beneficial for all parties once we get over the initial expenses and the integration. Everything south of the Rio Grande is a mess, nothing but failed countries all the down to Tierra del Fuego.
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