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Low/ no skill jobs in the US have been outsourced to cheaper labor markets or eliminated by technology.
Able- bodied, non senior adults , without children, do not qualify for long term welfare programs. Most who receive welfare benefits have minor children, or are elderly and/ or disabled. TANF requires the able- bodied parent to work or engage in training to work at least 20 hours a week. According to The CATO Institute , 80% of these jobs are subsidized by municipal, state or federal governments.
Yes they do..SSDI and SSI which lets refugees apply.
It was in the Federal Register posting..either the Feb or May posting. I may have posted a link to the Fed Register page in this thread.
The Fed Register posted comments by other states and that's where the other entities like cruise ships showed up. So other states had listed cruise ships way before Kansas because the Fed Register posting is Feb 2014 and May 2014 with final ruling March 2015.
And Florida has gambling cruises..ship leaves at 6pm..goes 3.5 miles out and then the casinos open until about midnight or so and then the ship goes back to port.
As I said, the information about the use of TANF benefits via AtM withdrawal, seems sketchy. The intent seems to have been to create a sensational perception that TANF recipients are using their TANF benefits to take luxury cruises, a variation of the Welfare Queen myth , used within the Reagan Administration.
I have found no information that quantifies a state percentage of all TANF ATM transactions that occur on a cruise ship.
If I was the recipient of a TANF benefit and sought to trump my children's best interests with my own selfish needs, I would use an ATM at an approved location before hitting the liquer store, marijuana store, casino, strip club, beauty shop, tattoo parlor, drug dealer or embarking on a booze/ casino cruise to nowhere. So long as I am able to withdraw cash from an ATM, I am good to go. All these state laws are form over substance.
That it required a federal law to compel states to do anything says something about the state, too.
What prevents a state from eliminating the cash benefit and instead making it more like SNAP whereby the card can be used for approved purchases at designated locations?
Good for Kansas. Its no brainer common sense legislation but in these days, its welcome.
It's a no- bRainer, feel good legislation in response to a federal law, intended to demonstrate a politically motivated get tough stance while doing nothing to prevent abuse.
As I said, the information about the use of TANF benefits via AtM withdrawal, seems sketchy. The intent seems to have been to create a sensational perception that TANF recipients are using their TANF benefits to take luxury cruises, a variation of the Welfare Queen myth , used within the Reagan Administration.
I have found no information that quantifies a state percentage of all TANF ATM transactions that occur on a cruise ship.
If I was the recipient of a TANF benefit and sought to trump my children's best interests with my own selfish needs, I would use an ATM at an approved location before hitting the liquer store, marijuana store, casino, strip club, beauty shop, tattoo parlor, drug dealer or embarking on a booze/ casino cruise to nowhere. So long as I am able to withdraw cash from an ATM, I am good to go. All these state laws are form over substance.
That it required a federal law to compel states to do anything says something about the state, too.
What prevents a state from eliminating the cash benefit and instead making it more like SNAP whereby the card can be used for approved purchases at designated locations?
How can anyone think that when all they said were they traced ATM withdrawals to cruise ships ?
You have those gambling ships which label themselves as "gambling cruises" and all they do is go out 3.5 miles for 4 hours of gambling and then return to port. They are quite popular in Florida where many of the ATM withdrawals were traced to.
Google California with regards to ATM withdrawals on ships.
And IMHO they should eliminate all cash benefits because nowadays you can get by just fine with no cash.
My son pays his rent with a his debit card. Has a bank account only for his direct deposit of his paycheck. Has had it for 3 years now and never ordered any checks. I myself only write 1 check a month now.
It's a no- bRainer, feel good legislation in response to a federal law, intended to demonstrate a politically motivated get tough stance while doing nothing to prevent abuse.
The Federal law itself does nothing.
So they go to a different ATM to withdraw their cash before entering the casino, tattoo parlor, etc.
All they added was inconvenience to the scammers.
Yes they do..SSDI and SSI which lets refugees apply.
Some people with refugee status (not just undocumented people) can apply for SSI or SSDI, but for those people SSI is limited to 7 years and it's unlikely that a refugee would have the requisite earnings to get SSDI. Can I Recieve Disability Benefits if I am not a US Citizen?
You originally inferred that it was a federal requirement, now you are back peddling and saying it was in the federal register? I don't think that a comment by a state in the Federal Register does not turn it into a law now, does it?
All states are reacting to the federal law which does not specify cruise ships.
Not all states have incorporated cruise ships into their legislation.
What percentage of TANF ATM transaction in Kansas occur on cruise ships?
It's sensational political propaganda designed to create a public perception that TANF masses are taking luxury cruises and the state is cracking down on it.
If a state were serious, it would eliminate the cash benefit entirely and limit the use of TANF balances to approved purchases.
You can't use the SNAP balance to extract cash at an ATM. You can't use the SNAP balance to buy alcohol. You can't use the SNAP benefit for a tatoo. The Intellegence exists to restrict purchases.
No reason why TANF could not be restricted to generic paper products, toiletries , school supplies and clothing/ shoes at say Goodwill and other major government granted resale shops.
Why don't they just make a law that makes clear what food stamps can be used for instead of making a bunch of separate laws that state things that food stamps obviously shouldn't be used for.
I mean, the name implies the purpose is to purchase food... so saying 'you can't buy a cruise with this' seems utterly stupid. It's like putting a 'warning: HOT' sticker on a coffee that is obviously going to be hot.
Buy food (excluding alcohol) and necessary items for health, like some medications, toiletries, and basic house hold items. It's not that hard to figure out what the average poor person on food stamps will need to prioritize their spending on. Food is priority number one, then basic hygienic things like soap and tooth paste. Like, seriously... why has this not been done yet? Shouldn't that have been the first thing they did when creating food stamps? Or were food stamps originally supposed to act as a substitute for money? And if so, why not just give them cash?
Some people with refugee status (not just undocumented people) can apply for SSI or SSDI, but for those people SSI is limited to 7 years and it's unlikely that a refugee would have the requisite earnings to get SSDI. Can I Recieve Disability Benefits if I am not a US Citizen?
All states are reacting to the federal law which does not specify cruise ships.
Not all states have incorporated cruise ships into their legislation.
What percentage of TANF ATM transaction in Kansas occur on cruise ships?
It's sensational political propaganda designed to create a public perception that TANF masses are taking luxury cruises and the state is cracking down on it.
If a state were serious, it would eliminate the cash benefit entirely and limit the use of TANF balances to approved purchases.
You can't use the SNAP balance to extract cash at an ATM. You can't use the SNAP balance to buy alcohol. You can't use the SNAP benefit for a tatoo. The Intellegence exists to restrict purchases.
No reason why TANF could not be restricted to generic paper products, toiletries , school supplies and clothing/ shoes at say Goodwill and other major government granted resale shops.
All the brouhaha over Kansas yet Mass. has the same "no cruise ships" wording.
Welfare ATM use raising questions
Other states have added restrictions beyond what Congress is requiring. Colorado and Indiana forbid using TANF money to buy alcohol or guns. Idaho bans tobacco purchases. Massachusetts prohibits transactions at tattoo parlors, gun shops, nail salons, rent-to-own stores, jewelers and cruise ships.
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