Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-05-2015, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
39,808 posts, read 26,332,102 times
Reputation: 25691

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
The private sector has the technical expertise to do it, but greed and government regulation get in the way.

The private sector could make a fortune by building tiny homes at high density - if government would let them.
They already do, which is what makes this whole whiny thread so pointless. They are called trailer courts. Most every town has one, and they are inexpensive.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-05-2015, 11:45 PM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,337,170 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
They already do, which is what makes this whole whiny thread so pointless. They are called trailer courts. Most every town has one, and they are inexpensive.

Trailer = depreciating asset (which often cannot be resited at a different trailer court)

House =-appreciating asset

Post= FAIL
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-05-2015, 11:47 PM
 
9,763 posts, read 10,499,071 times
Reputation: 2052
Quote:
Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
Trailer = depreciating asset (which often cannot be resited at a different trailer court)

House =-appreciating asset

Post= FAIL
Wrong. Buildings depreciate. It's the land that appreciates.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
18,867 posts, read 14,055,650 times
Reputation: 16573
IMHO - American housing is overpriced, underperforming, ephemeral grot.
And it was deliberately made so, to insure profits and power to those who control access to it.

Just look at factory built "mobile homes." In every other industry, there are a range of models from bare bones to luxury (RVs, boats, automobiles, etc). But you won't find "luxury" mobile homes, with highest quality fixtures and materials. Mobile homes and double wides are relegated to the bottom rung of home owners, with quality to match.

. . .
Housing is overpriced.

Concrete is one of the cheapest and most durable construction materials. The trick is to get it to cure in the shape of a house.

To illustrate, a 32' x 32' x 8' (1024 sf) cottage made from a concrete shell 4" thick would require:
[] 4 walls, 32 x 8 x .33, (12.51 cy)
[] 2 slabs, 32 x 32 x .33, floor and roof deck (25.03 cy)
37.54 cubic yards of concrete
If concrete cost $100 per cubic yard, that comes to $3754 for the concrete shell.
{Of course, we can modify this basic recipe ... split the 4" concrete into two 2" skins surrounding an insulation core.}

Adding stories, saves on materials, too. You can omit one slab, cutting 33% .
37.54 + 25.03 (2nd story) + 25.03 (3rd story) = 87.6 cy, or roughly $8760 for 3072 sf house (with an optional 1024 sf roof deck).

Helix: Micro-Rebar | Helix Steel
Concrete Decor Magazine | Decorative Concrete - CD
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 12:10 AM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,337,170 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvxplorer View Post
Wrong. Buildings depreciate. It's the land that appreciates.

Yes, but in a trailer court you get no land, hence your purchase only depreciates. When you buy a house, it is customary that appreciating land is included.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 12:15 AM
 
9,763 posts, read 10,499,071 times
Reputation: 2052
Quote:
Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
Yes, but in a trailer court you get no land, hence your purchase only depreciates. When you buy a house, it is customary that appreciating land is included.
Yes, but not always the case. I'm a stickler for accuracy, that's all. Don't want to misinform our fellow members.

Lots of mobile/land combinations around here, and I do know of a house built on a rented lot.

I do agree with you on downsizing. It's probably a trend waiting to happen.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
8,653 posts, read 6,106,206 times
Reputation: 3368
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post
The problem is the market.

Same size house in the hood is 600 a month to rent, that same house on the "good" end of town or even smaller is 2 or 3 times as much.

The same goes with property values. the most expensive thing you will own for most people is a House, but in the hood or simply a not so wealthy part of town, it may be your car.Most individuals build wealth for their families by selling their homes. Their are some houses in my town that are for sell for less than 30,000.

How exactly does one build wealth on that ?
I've never seen a house for anything remotely close to $30,000. I wish this was the case in Los Angeles...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
18,867 posts, read 14,055,650 times
Reputation: 16573
I find it very sad when the new-rich blow their money on a mansion and then go bankrupt, losing practically everything.
It might make more sense for new-rich to invest in an owner occupied apartment building. What is not used, is rented out, providing a cash flow when things go wrong.
Unfortunately, zoning and codes impede such practices.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
23,155 posts, read 26,079,176 times
Reputation: 27887
Quote:
Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
Yes, but in a trailer court you get no land, hence your purchase only depreciates. When you buy a house, it is customary that appreciating land is included.
I have two....both with land.
Although I told myself I was not going to indulge your ridiculousness anymore, one thing that never seems to get pointed out to you.
Even IF, you could do what you think is the solution for you, a small home on a small lot, the next 3 years worth of posts from you would be how you can't afford the taxes, utilities and maintenance costs of homeownership, not to mention the mortgage payments.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-06-2015, 05:33 AM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,337,170 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310 View Post
I've never seen a house for anything remotely close to $30,000. I wish this was the case in Los Angeles...

In 1996 I saw online a Bay Area house listed for $122,222 (easy number to remember). Photo taken at a weird angle, I think it was a hovel.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top