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Old 04-09-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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FYI A majority of Americans have supported same sex marriage since 2011 per Gallup polling done on the issue since the 1990s.

I just completed a research paper on gay marriage restrictions as a Republican Party owned issue comparing the elections of 2004 to 2012.

Problem for the GOP is they are terrified to lose their evangelical vote.


polls???? over 90% of the state's referendums the people of the states by a majority have voted to define traditional marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. That has been the American Standard for centuries. Even in California a very liberal state, it won.....only to have a few activist federal judges strike it down. (why bother have a state referendum about social issues)



the media has an agenda and have been pushing gay marriage as something mainstream....you see it in their 1 sided debates on T.V. and cable programs where you see many gays in the shows when in realiy gays in the U.S. are a very small minority but you see a lot in couples buying houses or flipping houses and reality shows.

 
Old 04-10-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I doubt it .I think the California voted showed many do not support it has a main issue just as the exit polls in last election showed. Also the reason its not on state ballots for voters to decide; since. The same was said about abortion in the past .
that was in 2008 bruh, look at the latest polls.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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that was in 2008 bruh, look at the latest polls.

polls are bias just like the mainstream media......the real thing is a state referendum....but then again, every time same sex marriage loses they go crying to an activist judge to overturn the democratic results of the people of the states.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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polls are bias just like the mainstream media......the real thing is a state referendum....but then again, every time same sex marriage loses they go crying to an activist judge to overturn the democratic results of the people of the states.
and every time conservatives lose on this issue, suddenly they are calling the judges "activists"

by the way, Anal is not a body part.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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polls are bias just like the mainstream media......the real thing is a state referendum....but then again, every time same sex marriage loses they go crying to an activist judge to overturn the democratic results of the people of the states.

1. Times have changes in the last half a dozen years or so. At the time most of those bans were put in place, polls showed support for ssm in the mid to upper 30's, Now the polls show support in the mid to upper 50's.

2. One of the key jobs to a Judge is to view if a law that is passed is Constitutional. Time after time, Judges both ones appointed by Democrats and Republicans are finding these bans Unconstitutional. That doesn't make them "Activist"
 
Old 04-10-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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and every time conservatives lose on this issue, suddenly they are calling the judges "activists"

by the way, Anal is not a body part.


conservatives are for people of the states to decide this issue.....obviously the liberals are for it only when they win in the referendums.


actually its call the anus...or the A HOLE....thanks for the info.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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1. Times have changes in the last half a dozen years or so. At the time most of those bans were put in place, polls showed support for ssm in the mid to upper 30's, Now the polls show support in the mid to upper 50's.

2. One of the key jobs to a Judge is to view if a law that is passed is Constitutional. Time after time, Judges both ones appointed by Democrats and Republicans are finding these bans Unconstitutional. That doesn't make them "Activist"


again, I don't trust polls.....they are bias....I trust state referendums by the people.


the definition of marriage in the history of our republic as been between 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN....that is the standard for over 250 years...if that's unconstitutional, since when? since the constitution hasn't change much especially over marriage which is a state issue, since when federal judges get to define the definition of marriage and how the states supposed to manage it? Since when that is a federal power?

Judicial Activism is judicial rulings suspected of being based on personal or political considerations rather than on existing law. The debate over the courts "making law" centers on separations of powers. In our form of government, the courts interpret and apply the law to the facts and circumstances of each case. The legislative branch makes the law. So, the is when the courts make the law through judicial activism, they're exercising power they don't have.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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again, I don't trust polls.....they are bias....I trust state referendums by the people.


the definition of marriage in the history of our republic as been between 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN....that is the standard for over 250 years...if that's unconstitutional, since when? since the constitution hasn't change much especially over marriage which is a state issue, since when federal judges get to define the definition of marriage and how the states supposed to manage it? Since when that is a federal power?

Judicial Activism is judicial rulings suspected of being based on personal or political considerations rather than on existing law. The debate over the courts "making law" centers on separations of powers. In our form of government, the courts interpret and apply the law to the facts and circumstances of each case. The legislative branch makes the law. So, the is when the courts make the law through judicial activism, they're exercising power they don't have.

When the polls showed ssm didn't have support it failed, when the polls showed it had support in generally passed. The last 4 votes on ssm had 3 states which legalized it and one state which voted against a ban (which was later passed in the state legislature)

Much of the tradition of marriage, the woman was legal beatable and rapeable property. States banned inter-racial marriage which took the federal courts to intervene and overturn. DO you believe that was judical activism as well?
 
Old 04-10-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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conservatives are for people of the states to decide this issue.....obviously the liberals are for it only when they win in the referendums.


actually its call the anus...or the A HOLE....thanks for the info.
most bigots like to vote on the rights of other people, hence the reason why conservatives are for voting.

If we let the majority always vote on the rights of the minority we probably would have had slavery until the 1970s.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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polls???? over 90% of the state's referendums the people of the states by a majority have voted to define traditional marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. That has been the American Standard for centuries. Even in California a very liberal state, it won.....only to have a few activist federal judges strike it down. (why bother have a state referendum about social issues)


NOPE.

You're wrong.

You're talking about ancient history (in politics) ... votes in 1994, '98, '02, '04 ...

MOST recent popular votes concerning same sex marriage: 2012

What happened four (4) states in 2012?
  • Maine
  • Maryland
  • Washington (state)
  • Minnesota
None of those states had legal same sex marriage. Now all four do ... because of elections that took place in November, 2012.

Hellion, do so research. You're information is flawed.
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