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Old 04-07-2015, 04:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
No, Obama lied to us. There is no getting around that.
Well, if it can be argued that Bush was lied to about WMD in Iraq, it can also be argued that Obama was lied to about the ACA. None of us knows the truth in either case.

Regardless, people lost their insurance because of the law, not because of a lie.
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:49 AM
 
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You lost your plan because of a provision of the law, not because of a lie. If Obama had said nothing, you still would have lost your plan, so no, you are the one who is incorrect.
It passed in part because Obama was willing to lie about it.
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:50 AM
 
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Well, if it can be argued that Bush was lied to about WMD in Iraq, it can also be argued that Obama was lied to about the ACA. None of us knows the truth in either case.

Regardless, people lost their insurance because of the law, not because of a lie.
It wasn't awarded lie of the year by the Washington Post for nothing.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:00 AM
 
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Gotta love the dems...LOL...

It's the repubs fault....they had zero to do with it, not a single repub voted for it....but dam it, it's their fault!

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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
How's the above quote working out for ya?
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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In NC the Gov. is now worried because the State Leg. will not accept the expansion. NC is #4 on the list of people using Ocare.


The state has taken on the dream flat tax and is running a deficit, which will continue to grow. Without the expansion they will be unable end that deficit. The Leg. is looking to add tax credits while not increasing the revenue (tax increase). So much for GOP knowing how to manage.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There's no easy way to tell 9.6 million Americans that you are pulling their health insurance out from under them.

I'll go back to imagining a moral country where everyone has access to quality health care regardless of income. A guy can dream, right?
EVERYONE does have access to health care...open up the yellow pages and make an appointment with a doctor

health INSURANCE is not care


its your body, its your health, its your bill... pay for the services rendered , don't expect someone else or some other entity(ie private insurance, government insurance, or the taxpayer) to pay YOUR bill
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:03 AM
 
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Well, if it can be argued that Bush was lied to about WMD in Iraq, it can also be argued that Obama was lied to about the ACA. None of us knows the truth in either case.

Regardless, people lost their insurance because of the law, not because of a lie.
Except dems and repubs BOTH voted to go to war.....

What did the repubs have to do with the ACA?

People lost their Dr's and Insurance because of a lie....Maybe they should have read the law first....
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Don't blame bad Law on the People.
We spoke loudly against this, Congress didn't give Two sh^ts what we thought.
I am blaming GOP governors for their bad decisions to make their states dependent on ACA subsidies. If the ACA was so bad, why did these GOP governors make the choice to make their state totally dependent on it?

Every governor had a choice to set up a state exchange and those governors that did are not at risk from any SCOTUS ruling. Those GOP governors that did not, for no reason except spite, are now begging for the SCOTUS not to rule against the ACA. Go figure!

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Old 04-07-2015, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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If the Democrats proofread Obamacare this wouldn't be an issue they said State exchanges instead of State or Federal exchanges could distribute Health insurance plans.
And those GOP governors should have read that and how that statement would impact the choices they make for the citizens of their state.
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Oh no we won't. Don't try and pull that ****. It's your side that's been trying as hard as you can to take away people's insurance

You confuse insurance and subsidies. I am an advocate of universal health, funded by all Americans. You are an advocate of private insurance with the premiums paid by the taxpayer for anyone who isn't "rich".
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