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Old 04-13-2015, 07:45 AM
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Location: Florida
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I don't think people should be forced to do something they are not comfortable doing.
No one is suggesting that. Specific performance is never permitted. Anti-discrimination regulations simply apply sanctions for not abiding the standards they set forth. Everyone is entitled to make their own decisions whether to comply versus pay the fines and serve whatever jail time is appropriate. The question that remains is why people are so reticent to be held accountable for their actions in transgression with anti-discrimination legislation. Are those people simply craven? Do they really not feel their personal convictions strongly enough to justify in their own mind placing their personal preference over the rights of others and of society as a whole? Or are they simply spoiled - grown up snowflakes?

 
Old 04-13-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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No one is suggesting that.
Actually, in fact, they are. A very small vocal minority is insisting that some people be forced to give up their guaranteed First Amendment rights.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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No one is suggesting that. Specific performance is never permitted. Anti-discrimination regulations simply apply sanctions for not abiding the standards they set forth. Everyone is entitled to make their own decisions whether to comply versus pay the fines and serve whatever jail time is appropriate. The question that remains is why people are so reticent to be held accountable for their actions in transgression with anti-discrimination legislation. Are those people simply craven?
What is so cowardly about choosing to do what they believe honors their God, even knowing it could result in monetary loss and attacks by the LGBT community and the media? I'd say it shows courage.

You might have heard of the Biblical account about Daniels friends who refused to bow down to a false god, even knowing the penalty was death. They were thrown in the fire for their faith, but God blessed them. They didn't do it because they were bigoted against the false god and the Babylonian king, they refused to bow down, because they knew it would dishonor their own God.

God blessed the pizzeria owner too, after she was attacked for standing up for God.

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Being free to do what you believe is right in the eyes of your God is what religious freedom is all about. It is sad you cannot tolerate the views of other people. The Christian business owners are not concerned about gays, their only concern is their own standing with God.

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Old 04-13-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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Why do some people obsess so much over homosexuality? What is so striking with the fascination for it?
Because the gay community wants everyone to believe that their rights trump everyone else.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Here
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Because the homosexual community wants everyone to believe that their rights trump everyone else.
For a group that demands tolerance from others they demonstrate zero tolerance in return. The religious proprietors are only a small fraction of businesses yet these bullies just can’t leave them alone.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Because the gay community wants everyone to believe that their rights trump everyone else.
Anyone can see this coming a mile away. Basically make being a homo as normal and natural as being a heterosexual.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:39 AM
 
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Because the gay community wants everyone to believe that their rights trump everyone else.
The problem with singling out 'the gay community' is that many other groups have the same guarantees that gays seek.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:44 AM
 
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What is so cowardly about choosing to do what they believe honors their God, even knowing it could result in monetary loss and attacks by the LGBT community and the media? I'd say it shows courage.

You might have heard of the Biblical account about Daniels friends who refused to bow down to a false god, even knowing the penalty was death. They were thrown in the fire for their faith, but God blessed them. They didn't do it because they were bigoted against the false god and the Babylonian king, they refused to bow down, because they knew it would dishonor their own God.

God blessed the pizzeria owner too, after she was attacked for standing up for God.

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Being free to do what you believe is right in the eyes of your God is what religious freedom is all about. It is sad you cannot tolerate the views of other people. The Christian business owners are not concerned about gays, their only concern is their own standing with God.


Wait. You think that God blessed that wretched woman in Indiana?

Shows a lot about your God's priorities.


People starving, natural disasters killing scores of people. Famine. Drought. War.


Some loudmouth in Indiana says she won't serve pizza at a gay wedding and God graces HER and blesses HER?!




I guess that's along the same lines that apologists use for why good people die: "It's all part of God's plan, right?!"


And you wonder why less and less people take religion seriously with every passing year! (Hint: It has nothing to do with gays, liberals or an anti-religious agenda. You serve the crazy fine just by yourself).
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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The problem with singling out 'the gay community' is that many other groups have the same guarantees that gays seek.

Refusing accommodation or actively discriminating when you run a business is NOT one of those guarantees.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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Actually, in fact, they are. A very small vocal minority is insisting that some people be forced to give up their guaranteed First Amendment rights.

Actually, no. They want you to follow the law.

Just as you aren't able to use your First Amendment religious rights to deny service on account of race, religion, sex, handicap or ethnicity.

You know of a case where someone was deemed able to use their 1st Amendment rights or religious belief to deny service to blacks? Or someone of another religion. Go on. Search WestLaw and let us know what you find. We'll wait.






Again: Gay folks just want the same rights. (Coincidentally, protections afforded on sexuality would also benefit straight people. Problem is there's basically no discrimination against straight people ever. And if it does occur, straights should have the opportunity to exist and not be discriminated against).

Isn't equality wonderful?
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