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When corrected for economic level, the rate of crime between blacks and whites is the same.
It isn't that BLACK people commit more crimes; its that POOR people commit more crimes, and (because of past and present rascism) black people are still disproportionately poor.
A good point. I'm inclined to agree with you, do you have any data corrected for income level? Would be interesting to see.
When corrected for economic level, the rate of crime between blacks and whites is the same.
It isn't that BLACK people commit more crimes; its that POOR people commit more crimes, and (because of past and present rascism) black people are still disproportionately poor.
By that line of thinking: why aren't poor members of other racial/ethnic minorities committing a disproportionately high number of crimes?
Yeah... but that's pretty much the only person in the thread who has done so. Everyone else wants these punks to get what they have coming to them, even if it's a white poster.
Actually there are MULTIPLE posts in this thread by several people regarding how black people are mostly criminals and why that is justification for painting every person of color with the tar brush.
All racism is "making excuses", and there are a bunch of racists who routinely post their racist agendas (white against black) on these boards.
When corrected for economic level, the rate of crime between blacks and whites is the same.
It isn't that BLACK people commit more crimes; its that POOR people commit more crimes, and (because of past and present rascism) black people are still disproportionately poor.
Um, NO. It gets better, but it doesn't normalize with the general population.
When you compare rates @ per 100,000, you can compare whites, blacks, asians, and hispanics in the same socio-economic status, and the rates are still different (higher) between blacks and other races. The decending order of criminality by race in the US is asian, white, hispanic, and then black.
What you will also find is urban areas over 250,000 in population tend to have higher violent crime rates per 100,000 than lower population density areas, so urban populations may have a larger impact on violent behavior than economics, but your assertion is still false, even controlling for urbanization, as a group, blacks are over-represented in commiting violent crimes (and also over-represented as victims of violent crimes by other blacks).
By that line of thinking: why aren't poor members of other racial/ethnic minorities committing a disproportionately high number of crimes?
They are. Especially among Hispanics. The rest of the "groups" we insist on sticking people into are generally too small to make much of a splash.
However, when corrected for economic level, all of this goes away. Crime rates are pretty constant across ethnic/racial groups, within economic groups.
Um, NO. It gets better, but it doesn't normalize with the general population.
When you compare rates @ per 100,000, you can compare whites, blacks, asians, and hispanics in the same socio-economic status, and the rates are still different (higher) between blacks and other races. The decending order of criminality by race in the US is asian, white, hispanic, and then black.
What you will also find is urban areas over 250,000 in population tend to have higher violent crime rates per 100,000 than lower population density areas, so urban populations may have a larger impact on violent behavior than economics, but your assertion is still false, even controlling for urbanization, as a group, blacks are over-represented in commiting violent crimes (and also over-represented as victims of violent crimes by other blacks).
You are going to have to provide a citation, because no study I have seen shows anything of the sort.
Also, I don't think you meant to say what you have said - which is that Asians commit more crime than whites who commit more crimes that Hispanics who commit more crimes that black people.
That's what it would be if you listed those in "descending" order.
BTW, it is a long and well-known fact that crime increases as population density increases - and the poor are, again, disproportionately represented in high density neighborhoods. So - it still comes down to poverty.
Actually there are MULTIPLE posts in this thread by several people regarding how black people are mostly criminals and why that is justification for painting every person of color with the tar brush.
All racism is "making excuses", and there are a bunch of racists who routinely post their racist agendas (white against black) on these boards.
But that isn't what my post was talking about. There's only been one person who said that they didn't believe the story and that it was probably the fault of the owner and not the patrons.
If there are others, post them. Everyone else I see thinks the group of white guys were in the wrong.
When corrected for economic level, the rate of crime between blacks and whites is the same.
It isn't that BLACK people commit more crimes; its that POOR people commit more crimes, and (because of past and present rascism) black people are still disproportionately poor.
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Originally Posted by Tuck's Dad
Um, NO. It gets better, but it doesn't normalize with the general population.
When you compare rates @ per 100,000, you can compare whites, blacks, asians, and hispanics in the same socio-economic status, and the rates are still different (higher) between blacks and other races. The decending order of criminality by race in the US is asian, white, hispanic, and then black.
What you will also find is urban areas over 250,000 in population tend to have higher violent crime rates per 100,000 than lower population density areas, so urban populations may have a larger impact on violent behavior than economics, but your assertion is still false, even controlling for urbanization, as a group, blacks are over-represented in commiting violent crimes (and also over-represented as victims of violent crimes by other blacks).
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Originally Posted by NeonGecko
You are going to have to provide a citation, because no study I have seen shows anything of the sort.
Also, I don't think you meant to say what you have said - which is that Asians commit more crime than whites who commit more crimes that Hispanics who commit more crimes that black people.
That's what it would be if you listed those in "descending" order.
BTW, it is a long and well-known fact that crime increases as population density increases - and the poor are, again, disproportionately represented in high density neighborhoods. So - it still comes down to poverty.
You first. Ascending not decending good catch. Asians have the lowest crime rate as a grouping per 100,000. That was my error.
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When corrected for economic level, the rate of crime between blacks and whites is the same.
It isn't that BLACK people commit more crimes; its that POOR people commit more crimes, and (because of past and present rascism) black people are still disproportionately poor.
I'd like to see data supporting that, because everything that I've seen/heard regarding this point leads to the opposite conclusion. It's not too difficult to understand why, especially when we start looking at violent crime in this US, specifically homicide. In the US, there are more poor whites than there are poor blacks/Latinos combined (that's because there are many more whites in the US than there are blacks/Latinos). Yet, blacks/Latinos commit over 80% of all homicides in the US every year (note, the FBI database interestingly breaks doesn't include "Hispanic" as a category for offender but does for victim. Still, state/city databases provide the breakdown that explains what I'm writing.) And, note, many Chinese American and other Asian communities in the US are poor, but the crime level is very, very low, especially compared to many predominately black/Latino neighborhoods. But, note, I don't that there's anything inherently racial about this. Rather, I point to a broad acceptance of a destructive culture by many within certain communities that lead to the results we're seeing now. After all, blacks (as a group) have always been poor in this country for obvious reasons. Yet, even during Jim Crow, where poverty in black neighborhoods was worse than anyone born after that period can imagine, the crime in black neighborhoods was not as out of control as it is today.
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