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He's not just some guy in possession of a gun. He robbed a Wal Mart for the gun, set fire to a church, shot the weapon in public and is now ignoring commands of police officers heading towards a densely populated area.
The police aren't suppose to shoot simply because someone is in possession of a gun. Training, training, training.
He was a violent criminal heading into a populated area that had already discharge the weapon and displayed suicidal behavior. Had he shot a few random people before turning the gun on himself, you would still be saying training training training. Cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I suppose running him over seems excessive, but the guy had a high powered rifle that is far more accurate than an officers side arm, and it's capable of shooting through a bullet proof vest and even most parts of a squad car, so I doubt they wanted to get in a shootout with him before the swat team showed up.
He had his chance to surrender, and he failed to comply. honestly, he's luck to be alive.
He was a violent criminal heading into a populated area that had already discharge the weapon and displayed suicidal behavior. Had he shot a few random people before turning the gun on himself, you would still be saying training training training. Cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
He hadn't harmed anyone. Maybe he had PTSD and have been waiting months to get into the V.A. and finally snapped? Do we know? But look at all the posts.....kill him, kill him, kill him, without having idea what started all of this or why.
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I suppose running him over seems excessive, but the guy had a high powered rifle that is far more accurate than an officers side arm, and it's capable of shooting through a bullet proof vest and even most parts of a squad car, so I doubt they wanted to get in a shootout with him before the swat team showed up.
He had his chance to surrender, and he failed to comply. honestly, he's luck to be alive.
Maybe the police need better training to deal with people with possible mental issues?
He hadn't harmed anyone. Maybe he had PTSD and have been waiting months to get into the V.A. and finally snapped? Do we know? But look at all the posts.....kill him, kill him, kill him, without having idea what started all of this or why.
Maybe the police need better training to deal with people with possible mental issues?
If some guy is walking down the street shooting a rifle into the air after robbing a store and threatening to kill himself, then as far as I'm concerned he's a deadly threat. He is just as likely to kill some innocent child with one of those stray bullets as he is to shoot an officer. Stop and think about the innocent people in the neighborhood being terrorized by this nutcase. Most murderers are mentally ill, but we don't just give them a pass and let them keep on gunning for our kids. The cops did the right thing.
My opinion of the video shifted 180 degrees once I saw that the suspect had a rifle to his head and then earlier had been shooting into the air. The police would have been justified in shooting him. Running him down with a patrol car was unique problem solving but caused damage the taxpayers will have to pay. Still, if the guy lived maybe that was best. Then again, if he ends up suing, again the tax payers will have to pay. Why didn't they just shoot him again?
It would've taken time for a cop to stop his car; grab his gun and start shooting. By then the perp could've leveled his rifle and gotten off a few shots. IMHO the perp was NOT watching where all the squad cars were and the 1 cop saw his opening to nail the fool.
The thing is the cop HAD to make a quick choice since the perp could've leveled his gun AND shot 1 of the cops.
Although I support the actions of the cop 100%, I cant stand the need to dehumanize people. You see it all the time with "perp" "scumbag" etc etc. Should this guy be held responsible for his behavior, yes absolutely, to the fullest extent of the law....should we gleefully watch as he gets ran over and cheer when it occurs? Not saying you specifically are cheering but to me its disgusting how you try to relegate this guy to sub human status and others cheer or are almost giddy this person was ran over.
He hadn't harmed anyone. Maybe he had PTSD and have been waiting months to get into the V.A. and finally snapped? Do we know? But look at all the posts.....kill him, kill him, kill him, without having idea what started all of this or why.
Maybe the police need better training to deal with people with possible mental issues?
Police receive a ton of training on how to deal with crazy people or people under the influence of drugs or alcohol. They also have a lot experience with them because they deal with it on a daily basis.
Who cares if he had PTSD. He was obviously completely nuts because no sane person would do what he did. That's not the officers problem. His job was to protect the general public and enforce the law. He did his job by making a split decision that resulted in zero fatalities.
Had this guy stayed in one spot, law enforcement could have blocked the area and continue to negotiate with him, but he refused to listen to them and decided he wanted to walk into an area with innocent people while firing a stolen rifle. Honestly, what were those cops supposed to do? You keep saying "training," but when a crazy gunman refuses to negotiate and is headed towards innocent people, they really aren't left with too many options
You're probably a nice person, but you simply don't know what cops do, and why they can't always be everyone's friend. Your view of the world is not in a perspective in relation to how it actually operates, which makes scenarios like this very upsetting to you because you ultimately don't understand what this man was capable of.
Police receive a ton of training on how to deal with crazy people or people under the influence of drugs or alcohol. They also have a lot experience with them because they deal with it on a daily basis.
Who cares if he had PTSD. He was obviously completely nuts because no sane person would do what he did. That's not the officers problem. His job was to protect the general public and enforce the law. He did his job by making a split decision that resulted in zero fatalities.
Had this guy stayed in one spot, law enforcement could have blocked the area and continue to negotiate with him, but he refused to listen to them and decided he wanted to walk into an area with innocent people while firing a stolen rifle. Honestly, what were those cops supposed to do? You keep saying "training," but when a crazy gunman refuses to negotiate and is headed towards innocent people, they really aren't left with too many options
You're probably a nice person, but you simply don't know what cops do, and why they can't always be everyone's friend. Your view of the world is not in a perspective in relation to how it actually operates, which makes scenarios like this very upsetting to you because you ultimately don't understand what this man was capable of.
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THIS!
Nobody wants to see anyone hurt, but sometimes it's unavoidable. Well said Lucky.
Although I support the actions of the cop 100%, I cant stand the need to dehumanize people. You see it all the time with "perp" "scumbag" etc etc. Should this guy be held responsible for his behavior, yes absolutely, to the fullest extent of the law....should we gleefully watch as he gets ran over and cheer when it occurs? Not saying you specifically are cheering but to me its disgusting how you try to relegate this guy to sub human status and others cheer or are almost giddy this person was ran over.
Perp is shorthand for "perpetrator", it's NOT a slur. The rifle toting dude was def that.
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