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Old 04-16-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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He already had pointed the gun at police as well as himself, before firing into the air, not sure what more you are looking for. They were well within their right to shoot him. In this case an officer takes an alternate action that results in no lost lives, including that of the perpetrator's. He was out of the hospital in two days. I'd say that fits into the "worked about as good as could be hoped for" category.
I've not seen where he pointed the gun at any officer. The video doesn't have it.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I've not seen where he pointed the gun at any officer. The video doesn't have it.

Look more closely then, because you seem to be the only one who can't.



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The video footage shows Mario Valencia, 36, walking along a sidewalk in a business district brandishing a rifle. One moment he is pointing the rifle at police. In another, he is pointing it at his head.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...415-story.html



it was also in earlier images released by the police as reported by the the Republic, a newspaper that has been pretty harsh in its criticism of the police in recent years. That much of the media hasn't highlighted that fact isn't surprising, it doesn't play into the whole "police are out of control" angle.



You had a disturbed guy with a long range weapon that was walking into a highly populated area. The one thing the police couldn't allow was for him to proceed on his way to a place where the odds of an innocent bystander getting hurt or killed
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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Because its not in the video, it was in earlier images released by the police as reported by the the Republic, a newspaper that has been pretty harsh in its criticism of the police in recent years. That much of the media hasn't highlighted that fact isn't surprising, it doesn't play into the whole "police are out of control" angle.
I've still not seen it.

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You had a disturbed guy with a long range weapon that was walking into a highly populated area. The one thing the police couldn't allow was for him to proceed on his way to a place where the odds of an innocent bystander getting hurt or killed
The officer who seemed to be the one in charge was telling the other officers to stay back.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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He had a gun and newest video with sound shows he fired one shot. I see no problem except it damaged the patrol car and officer could have been hurt. They certainly could have shot him with justification;IMO.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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You can commit someone like this to a mental health facility.
For what? Stealing change out of cars? Stealing is not a mental disease, it's a result of mental disease or at least what is argued in this case. I don't agree with it but that's what the law says because if he could of been locked up they would have done it a long time ago. There is multiple prosecutors that have had their chance but their hands are tied, there was nothing they could do about this guy becsue his crimes were petty and non violent.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I've still not seen it.



The officer who seemed to be the one in charge was telling the other officers to stay back.

He wasn't in charge and he was telling officers to stay back as a warning because the guy had rounds in the rifle.


For the police, just hanging back and letting a lunatic armed with a rifle walk around, popping off rounds in a crowded and populated area was not an option.


So it was either open fire on him and risk someone getting shot and the perpetrator most likely getting shot and killed, or it was this one officer's inventive and overall effective way of putting an end to this without anyone dying. Even the perpetrator gets to go home eventually, after serving a long jail sentence.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Full video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvspr2riMNM
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:40 AM
 
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I've still not seen it.



The officer who seemed to be the one in charge was telling the other officers to stay back.
The cop who told others to stay back was the one who ran the suspect down. He told the others to stay back because they were on foot, had no weapons and no vest.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Just noticed the super rotund cop that pops out of nowhere right after Valencia gets hit. Dude's been hitting that Dunkin Donuts HORRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDD!!
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Old 04-16-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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How can you not see something wrong here? What is wrong with you?

Cost of a police bulet: a couple bucks at most

Cost of vehicle repairs: probably over $800

The cop should have shot him. If lethal force is required, its a lot cheaper to use something designed for it, not your vehicle.
The damage to that vehicle is going to be several thousand dollars. They will probably just sell it at an auction after getting the insurance check of course. Well unless the city is self insured.
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