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Old 04-18-2015, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This seems to be a fairly objective summary in the context of our current polarized political atmosphere.

That's funny!

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Old 04-18-2015, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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but he did have the botched hostage rescue. I do think that ford did not take the USA into any war.
No, Jerry the Pardoner managed the humiliating expulsion of the United States from Indochina (South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos). 58,000 Americans died for nothing more than having their names on black granite wall with one of the best views of the Washington Monument in the background. Ford also can match Carter in botched rescue attempts for he ordered US Marines to assault the wrong island during a crisis where the Khmer Rouge had detained the crew of a US flagged freighter off the coast of Cambodia. Not only did he Marines have the shame of attacking the wrong place but the ship and crew had been released by the Cambodians several hours before the attack even started.
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Old 04-18-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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uhm the pisspoor economy is directly related to globalist liberal policies

and ISIS was formed in 1998...during the Clinton era....the Clinton sanctions against Iraq killed half a million iraqi children, causing many refugees into Syria, and the birth of isis



and the current issues with iran and certainly part of the carter and liberal legacy

The Iran of 1978-9 was not the product of liberal anything it was the product of the CIA and the 25 years of American backing of a genuine tyrant! At least Carter did not send the 82 and 101st Airborne and the 3rd Marine Division into Iran in a futile attempt to suppress the Iranian people and prolong Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi and his bloody rule.
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Old 04-18-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Cons sure have changed since Calvin Coolidge. This is from his 1923 State of the Union address

For purposes of national uniformity we ought to provide, by constitutional amendment and appropriate legislation, for a limitation of child labor, and in all cases under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Federal Government a minimum wage law for women, which would undoubtedly find sufficient power of enforcement in the influence of public opinion



As if Vons would be against those items.

Another "Throw Granny over the cliff" statement.
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:09 PM
 
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I certainly hope you are not serious.
Very serious
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FDR was a fascist

he and obozo should be dead least
Lol...no he wasn't.
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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James Polk should be #1. What other president accomplished everything he sought to do?
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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James Polk should be #1. What other president accomplished everything he sought to do?
George Washington for one.
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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There are quite a few non-war Presidents. The list includes George Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Rutherford Hayes, James Garfield, Chester Arthur, Benjamin Harrison, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford, and Jimmy Carter.

US Presidents and Wars
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:45 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I like how you conveniently left out the study I linked to...
Your study wasnt in the original comment you posted which you believed backed up your claim. So regardless of what you believe that study shows, you were still wrong in posting the Mises institute link as if it was fact.


As for your link.

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Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.

In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.

Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.
The people who wrote this are claiming that they know what would have happened if FDR's policies had not taken effect. That is a falsehood on multiple levels.

At best, they can "believe" something different would have happened, but thats about it.
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Old 04-19-2015, 03:20 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Grover Cleveland and Calvin Coolidge are some of my favorite presidents from history. Calvin Coolidge may be the last conservative president we've had that actually stuck to his principles and didn't expand the government (I'm looking at you Reagan).
Grover Cleveland was a great president, indeed! Should be in top 10, if not the top 5.
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