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Old 04-19-2015, 01:07 AM
 
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In order for the Republican Party, which was formed in 1854 to shoot down slavery, to 100 years later become the new party of the Southerners who had always been Democrats and fought to keep slavery, then fought to keep segregation? And in order for the Democratic Party, which once was the party of Southerners and the racist party, to be the party all minorities (and clearly the most liberal whites) were represented by?

Also, are white Democrats from the South today (such as Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Mitch Landrieu, etc) the children of the original Southern (white) Republicans (who at one time were lynched, as were African Americans), OR are they sons of racists who instead of changing parties to continue on the racist path, came to their senses and made peace with African Americans as did northern Democrats (and most other Americans from the 1920s through 1950s, Southerners included, but the process of racial reconciliation in the South was long and painful)?

As for Mitch Landrieu, is he a Democrat not from personal principles but as an opportunist, because his city (New Orleans) is overwhelmingly African American and in today's world, Democratic? Is it possible Landrieu's father was a Democrat to fit in with other white Southerners, but stayed a Democrat (and raised two offspring to be Democratic politicians) past the Civil Rights era only because white flight happened from New Orleans, thus the city rapidly went from being dominated by conservative Democrats to being dominated by liberal Democrats, thus he could stay in power? (as long as he won the Democratic primaries)
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Old 04-19-2015, 06:23 AM
 
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The Dems figured out how to buy votes with deceit and other people's money that's all.
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Old 04-19-2015, 06:38 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The parties changed, used to be easy to believe despite differing views, both actually cared about the country and its people.

Now?

Not so much, it's party first and screw everything else on both sides of the aisle.
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Old 04-19-2015, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar & Coronado, CA
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In order for the Republican Party, which was formed in 1854 to shoot down slavery, to 100 years later become the new party of the Southerners who had always been Democrats and fought to keep slavery, then fought to keep segregation? And in order for the Democratic Party, which once was the party of Southerners and the racist party, to be the party all minorities (and clearly the most liberal whites) were represented by?
You act as if there has been zero change in the country. zero change in where people live and that because the Republicans win elections in the South that somehow that would make them in favor of segregation or slavery.

The Republican Party is for individual rights and always has been. They are not the party that favors a strong central government at the expense of the rights of the people.

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Also, are white Democrats from the South today (such as Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Mitch Landrieu, etc) the children of the original Southern (white) Republicans (who at one time were lynched, as were African Americans), OR are they sons of racists who instead of changing parties to continue on the racist path, came to their senses and made peace with African Americans as did northern Democrats (and most other Americans from the 1920s through 1950s, Southerners included, but the process of racial reconciliation in the South was long and painful)?
I don't understand the question or point here. Obviously Al Gore is the son of one of the most famous Democrat segregationists and Bill Clinton had another as his mentor. Carter's father was also a segregationist.

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As for Mitch Landrieu, is he a Democrat not from personal principles but as an opportunist, because his city (New Orleans) is overwhelmingly African American and in today's world, Democratic? Is it possible Landrieu's father was a Democrat to fit in with other white Southerners, but stayed a Democrat (and raised two offspring to be Democratic politicians) past the Civil Rights era only because white flight happened from New Orleans, thus the city rapidly went from being dominated by conservative Democrats to being dominated by liberal Democrats, thus he could stay in power? (as long as he won the Democratic primaries)
Mitch Landrieu is a Democrat because his family always has been. I don't know much about Moon Landrieu other than he was devoted Catholic and anti-segregationist.

Your entire premise is flawed on so many levels. Not all Democrats were segregationists, there was diversity in the party. The population of the South is vastly different from what it was 50 years ago. Republicans never supported institutional segregation, but for the most part still believe in individual rights.
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Old 04-19-2015, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Johnson Creek,WI
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In order for the Republican Party, which was formed in 1854 to shoot down slavery, to 100 years later become the new party of the Southerners who had always been Democrats and fought to keep slavery, then fought to keep segregation? And in order for the Democratic Party, which once was the party of Southerners and the racist party, to be the party all minorities (and clearly the most liberal whites) were represented by?

Also, are white Democrats from the South today (such as Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Mitch Landrieu, etc) the children of the original Southern (white) Republicans (who at one time were lynched, as were African Americans), OR are they sons of racists who instead of changing parties to continue on the racist path, came to their senses and made peace with African Americans as did northern Democrats (and most other Americans from the 1920s through 1950s, Southerners included, but the process of racial reconciliation in the South was long and painful)?

As for Mitch Landrieu, is he a Democrat not from personal principles but as an opportunist, because his city (New Orleans) is overwhelmingly African American and in today's world, Democratic? Is it possible Landrieu's father was a Democrat to fit in with other white Southerners, but stayed a Democrat (and raised two offspring to be Democratic politicians) past the Civil Rights era only because white flight happened from New Orleans, thus the city rapidly went from being dominated by conservative Democrats to being dominated by liberal Democrats, thus he could stay in power? (as long as he won the Democratic primaries)

When CLinton and Carter were getting into politics,those states were still strongly Democrat at the state level. Those states may have been voting R for potus,but downballot were still Dem. Clinton is an opportunist without principle. I have no doubt he would have been a Republican if need be. As for Carter,he was a Wallace type when he started out.
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Old 04-19-2015, 07:55 AM
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The south is only Republican now because so many moved down from Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and New York in the great wagon train of 1980 after Democrats gave their jobs to the Pacific rim.

Democrats could learn a little recent history.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The GOP has become the party that TR worried about in 1905. It is one that is driven by Cons, and large corporations controlled by wealthy 1%.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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The GOP has become the party that TR worried about in 1905. It is one that is driven by Cons, and large corporations controlled by wealthy 1%.
Good. He was a "Progressive." Boner is a Progressive. So is McCain. So is McConnell. So was Bush. So is Clinton. So is Obama.

Cruz is NOT a Progressive. Paul may be.

Thank God for Ted Cruz
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Good. He was a "Progressive." Boner is a Progressive. So is McCain. So is McConnell. So was Bush. So is Clinton. So is Obama.

Cruz is NOT a Progressive. Paul may be.

Thank God for Ted Cruz
The Canadian born Texas Senator is owned by Heritage. Just what the country needs more money going to the top 1%
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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In order for the Republican Party, which was formed in 1854 to shoot down slavery, to 100 years later become the new party of the Southerners who had always been Democrats and fought to keep slavery, then fought to keep segregation? And in order for the Democratic Party, which once was the party of Southerners and the racist party, to be the party all minorities (and clearly the most liberal whites) were represented by?

Also, are white Democrats from the South today (such as Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Mitch Landrieu, etc) the children of the original Southern (white) Republicans (who at one time were lynched, as were African Americans), OR are they sons of racists who instead of changing parties to continue on the racist path, came to their senses and made peace with African Americans as did northern Democrats (and most other Americans from the 1920s through 1950s, Southerners included, but the process of racial reconciliation in the South was long and painful)?

As for Mitch Landrieu, is he a Democrat not from personal principles but as an opportunist, because his city (New Orleans) is overwhelmingly African American and in today's world, Democratic? Is it possible Landrieu's father was a Democrat to fit in with other white Southerners, but stayed a Democrat (and raised two offspring to be Democratic politicians) past the Civil Rights era only because white flight happened from New Orleans, thus the city rapidly went from being dominated by conservative Democrats to being dominated by liberal Democrats, thus he could stay in power? (as long as he won the Democratic primaries)

You are trying to portray Republicans as racist. While your attempt is, in my opinion, original in style, it is still absolutely wrong.
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