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Old 11-11-2006, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Maine
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One of my favorite quotes (in that it bites both ways) is this:

If your conservative when you are younger, your heartless. If your liberal when you're older... you're brainless.
It was Winston Churchill, and what he said was, “Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.”

But you have to keep in mind that "liberal" and "conservative" meant something very different to a British Imperialist in the 1940s than it does to what we in the US mean by those terms today.
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Navarre, Florida
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Dufferz - You remind me a lot of my parents...please don't take that offensively. I grew up around many political conversations and have to admit that I didn't really pay much attention to them...I regret that, now. I love this forum, though, because it's similar to being a fly on the wall while listening to an intense discussion. I need to learn to be more patient and be able to document or prove the things that I say...it might come with time. While I'm waiting, I will definitely make use of the posts in this forum by "listening" more closely.

p.s. I can't figure out how to quote people, so I'll say this: All things being equal, fat people use more soap...that was absolutely fantastic! Great phrase!
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Maine
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This arguement will be one that will never be resolved. I strongly react, however, when people say that the separation of church and state is part of the constitution. That is simply wrong.
The first Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

In general, I've found that most conservatives like to ignore the first part (No law respecting an establishment of religion), and most liberals like to ignore the second (or prohibiting the free exercise thereof). It cuts both ways.

Conservatives, you need to realize that you can't use the government in any way to push your religious views. If you think your neighbors are being sinful, you and your church have every right to try to convert them. But you can't get the government into it.

Liberals, you need to realize that you can't use the government in any way to restrict others' religious views, even those views you don't like. If religious folks aren't picking your pocket or breaking your leg, then leave 'em alone. If they're saying stuff you don't like, then counter their argument. But don't you dare use the government to tell them to shut up.

Jefferson was a deist. Madison was a Christian. Both were wise men, and we need to abide by the principles they set forth in the foundation of our nation.
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Maine
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You remind me a lot of my parents...please don't take that offensively.
I'm more like your cranky neighbor. Now get off my lawn, y' young whipper-snapper!
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Navarre, Florida
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I'm more like your cranky neighbor. Now get off my lawn, y' young whipper-snapper!
Neighbors who communicate are WONDERFUL!
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, O'Reilley, Neil Bloortz (if anybody's ever heard of him), Fox News, and the rest of the gang are just useful idiots for the neo-conservative and religious right movements, nothing more nothing less. They've been relegated to side show/freak show status like the rest of the useful idiots in recent history. i.e., oh ah did you see what <republican butt-kisser> said..:-O oh my gosh what a freakin' moron how could anyone be that stupid...did you see what he said....is he in touch with reality???...etc. etc.

The thing that really ticks me off though, is that a lot of the AM stations used to have really good local programming that was actually somewhat enjoyable and useful to listen too, now it's been replaced by all this right-wing garbage. I'm sure it'll take quite a few years of declining ratings and relevance before they abandon these mind-numb robots and put the local stuff back on.
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Old 11-11-2006, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Navarre, Florida
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Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, O'Reilley, Neil Bloortz (if anybody's ever heard of him), Fox News, and the rest of the gang are just useful idiots for the neo-conservative and religious right movements, nothing more nothing less. They've been relegated to side show/freak show status like the rest of the useful idiots in recent history. i.e., oh ah did you see what <republican butt-kisser> said..:-O oh my gosh what a freakin' moron how could anyone be that stupid...did you see what he said....is he in touch with reality???...etc. etc.

The thing that really ticks me off though, is that a lot of the AM stations used to have really good local programming that was actually somewhat enjoyable and useful to listen too, now it's been replaced by all this right-wing garbage. I'm sure it'll take quite a few years of declining ratings and relevance before they abandon these mind-numb robots and put the local stuff back on.
What exactly makes those people 'idiots'? The fact that you don't agree with them? It saddens me that you berate people who don't share your beliefs...why stoop that low to criticize those who see things differently? I view name-calling as immature...what is the point?
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Old 11-12-2006, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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It was Winston Churchill, and what he said was, “Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.”

But you have to keep in mind that "liberal" and "conservative" meant something very different to a British Imperialist in the 1940s than it does to what we in the US mean by those terms today.
mark,

Thanks for supplying the source on that one. It's funny no matter how you look at it.
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Old 11-12-2006, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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The first Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

In general, I've found that most conservatives like to ignore the first part (No law respecting an establishment of religion), and most liberals like to ignore the second (or prohibiting the free exercise thereof). It cuts both ways.
Nicely balanced and stated.

For me the first part is the most important. the bill of rights say that congress will my no law in respect to establish a religion. It is clear as to what the intent was. Most conservatives I know are very firm on both statements being one voice as to the intent to PREVENT the congress from establishing a state religion. I personally can't see how when reviewing the state of our union at that time and the writtings of the founders, it can be seen any other way.

Any person who ignores either half of this statement is ill-informed.
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Old 11-12-2006, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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I'm more like your cranky neighbor. Now get off my lawn, y' young whipper-snapper!
Hey now, no talking like that about my girl!
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