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If Roe v. Wade is any indication, Court rulings don't always stop the opposition. I'm not sure that anything from the Court would change Republican strategy at this point. This issue won't just go away for the base. I don't see the eventual ruling having much effect.
Baloney! 20 years ago gay marriage would have had no chance in the Supreme court. The court will find bans unconstitutional today precisely because public sentiment has changed. There is example after example of the same phenomenon.
You're quite right, but that speaks more to the human flaw in how the system works than anything else. In theory, public opinion should have no effect in determining if something is Constitutional or not. In practice, it has a lot to do with it. As Abraham Lincoln said:
Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed.
In theory, if the court rules that bans on gay marriage are Unconstitutional in the present day, then they've always been unconstitutional. If they rule that the bans are Constitutional, then they will remain so, in the absence of an amendment. Unfortunately, that's not always how it works, but that's how it's supposed to work. One of the very reasons for the Constitution in the first place was to protect the rights of the minority from the tyranny of the majority, a.k.a. "public opinion"
Now, back here in the real world, after the United States Supreme Court
strikes down all same-sex marriage bans nationwide - and they will - Republican
candidates will still have to oppose the ruling, then (late June or early July)
and on until and thru the primaries and the general election.
Quit being so short-sighted. I'm thinking long term. I'm thinking the next 10-15 years, not just the next two. As even more and more REPUBLICANS support gay marriage, and as religion and the affinity for it continue to wane, AND as the older Conservatives to whom the Republican party must pander to on this issue continue to die off, this issue will settle itself eventually anyway. An affirmative ruling by the Supreme Court on the issue will only serve to hasten the process and ultimately benefit the Republican party.
IF Republican strategists are smart (which is a big if ) they will see the writing on the wall, and at least go silent on the issue sooner than they otherwise would have. They don't have to jump on board and support gay marriage all of a sudden, but they can silently begrudge it with the same effect. Given the astounding ignorance of the Republican party however, it wouldn't surprise me if your right, and they double down on it and call for a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage, which would turn my theory upside down.
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For example, they'll have to come out for a Constitutional amendment to ban
same-sex marriages, or at the very least to make it a decision for the states
(hint - such a Constitutional amendment would trump all other caselaw on the
issue, a fact of which I suspect you're oblivious)
I'm very much aware of that fact. I just think your a Democrat who's getting defensive because you understand I'm right about the realities and implications of this SCOTUS ruling.
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It doesn't become a non-issue just because SCOTUS rules on it. It won't be completely off the table. The Freedom of Religion laws cropping up are an effort to keep it on the table. And given the amount of attention that Indiana garnered this spring, the effort is definitely working.
That keeps the balance between the parties pretty much the same, not the seismic shift you are anticipating.
Anyone who considers themselves an intellectual ought to realize that gay marriage and religious freedom are two completely separate issues. You can support gay marriage and support these religious freedom acts at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive. That is my position as a matter of fact.
If Roe v. Wade is any indication, Court rulings don't always stop the opposition. I'm not sure that anything from the Court would change Republican strategy at this point. This issue won't just go away for the base. I don't see the eventual ruling having much effect.
Good point. You could be right. As I said earlier, IF Republican strategists are smart, they'll change their strategy. I've been let down before though.
Committees are formed by members of Congress. I guess if you are interested, you can look it up why it never made it out of committee....I would post a link, but you have stated you don't click on those.
Meaningless point that doesn't address anything that I've said.
If Roe v. Wade is any indication, Court rulings don't always stop the opposition. I'm not sure that anything from the Court would change Republican strategy at this point. This issue won't just go away for the base. I don't see the eventual ruling having much effect.
Why use Roe v. Wade as the comparison? A much closer comparison is Loving v. Virginia.
It takes all sorts of low life scums to fight against the repeal of something, and then when forced to do it by the court, then try to take credit for what you just opposed..
That would be a Democrat..
A COURT ORDERED ITS REMOVAL..
9 days later, wow.. they had decades to remove it, and 9 days after a COURT ORDERED IT HAPPEN, then they supported it.
What I said isnt at all false, nor confusing, its a FACT.. You choose to ignore it, but then note my response to the first paragraph above.
Considering they began passage of the bill in May of that year I will accept that you have not a clue about this subject .
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