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Old 04-28-2015, 09:00 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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2) The government is stacked with Monsanto-affiliated appointed officials,
3) Elena Kagan might be connected to Monsanto,
4) Even though Obama has allowed Monsanto to push legislation though, Romney is connected to Monsanto too so there's no point voting for him.
Wheres the teachers, nurses, and scientists in our government?

Answer: There are none because you need $950 million dollars in campaign funds to run for president, and only people with corporate ties can raise the campaign money.


And whats the difference to you whether your corn is GMO or non-GMO?

Maybe GMO corn saves you $5 per year, but for all the Monsanto workers (in and out of government) they make millions/billions from GMO's.

What are GMO's doing for you, and why are you fighting for GMO's?

 
Old 04-28-2015, 09:17 PM
 
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Wheres the teachers, nurses, and scientists in our government?

Answer: There are none because you need $950 million dollars in campaign funds to run for president, and only people with corporate ties can raise the campaign money.
Jon Tester worked for two years as a music teacher. Ron Wyden taught gerontology at universities in Oregon and was a director for a non-profit law service for the elderly. Many Senators and Representatives have taught at some point in their career. It's easy to find examples of powerful politicians who rose up from modest backgrounds.

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And whats the difference to you whether your corn is GMO or non-GMO?

Maybe GMO corn saves you $5 per year, but for all the Monsanto workers (in and out of government) they make billions/millions from GMO's.

What are GMO's doing for you, and why are you fighting for GMO's?
Monsanto is just one of several companies that sell GM seeds, and Monsanto does not rely solely on GMOs as they sell a large amount of conventional seed as well, including to organic farms.



My position on GMOs has nothing to do with Monsanto or any company. It has to do with science and the environment. GMOs are safe to eat, safe to cultivate, have demonstrated environmental benefits and have even more potential that we haven't even realized yet.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 09:37 PM
 
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Wheres the teachers, nurses, and scientists in our government?

Answer: There are none because you need $950 million dollars in campaign funds to run for president, and only people with corporate ties can raise the campaign money.
I will admit there aren't enough scientists in politics. Scientists are usually frustrated by politics, don't always have the greatest social skills and typically have better career prospects than climbing the political ladder.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 10:21 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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My position on GMOs has nothing to do with Monsanto or any company. It has to do with science and the environment. GMOs are safe to eat, safe to cultivate, have demonstrated environmental benefits and have even more potential that we haven't even realized yet.
GMO food crops hold incredible potential to get us past plant disease and large insect infestations. But just like America's doctors overprescribe antibiotics and create resistant germs, you want to overprescribe GMO's.

Whats wrong with our non-GMO corn?
Whats wrong with our non-GMO cabbage?

Fact is you can get non-GMO corn and non-GMO cabbage in all the quantities you need and at low prices. But you want to GMO everything now for corporate profits, instead of later for humanities protection. But "YES" some GMO's are needed now.


And can we create a human GMO with a desired skin color, eye color, hair color, sex, body type, and personality we desire?

Answer: No we can't, because the science of DNA modification is in its infancy. But you speak of GMO technology as something we deeply understand such as basic math.

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Old 04-28-2015, 10:31 PM
 
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GMO food crops hold incredible potential to get us past plant disease and large insect infestations. But just like America's doctors overprescribe antibiotics and create resistant germs, you want to overprescribe GMO's.

Whats wrong with our non-GMO corn?
Whats wrong with our non-GMO cabbage?

Fact is you can get non-GMO corn and non-GMO cabbage in all the quantities you need and at low prices. But you want to GMO everything now for corporate profits, instead of later for humanities protection.


But many GMO's are needed now. Like in certain disease and pest outbreaks, in certain 3rd world countries, and a few in America. But you want to GMO everything just like the GMO corporations.


And can we create a GMO human with a desired skin color, eye color, hair color, sex, body type, and personality we desire?

Answer: No we can't, because the science of DNA modification is in its infancy. But you speak of GMO technology as something we deeply understand such as basic math.
There's nothing wrong with non-GMO plants. Farmers grow what works, and if a non-GMO plant works better they will grow that. Nearly 90% of our corn, cotton, and soy is GMO, which means it's working out for most farmers, but there are still plenty growing non-GMO.

We are using GMOs to combat disease and insects, and we are constantly coming up with more. That's why farmers use GM seeds. They prevent the pests that might devastate their crop.

And the technology to genetically engineer humans probably exists right now, but nobody will touch that because of the huge ethical minefield that presents.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 10:51 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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And the technology to genetically engineer humans probably exists right now, but nobody will touch that because of the huge ethical minefield that presents.
"The prospect of real designer babies—where it would be possible to reliably choose cosmetic traits such as complexion and hair color or even physical characteristics such as athleticism—remains a distant one."
'Designer Babies:' Patented Process Could Lead to Selection of Genes for Specific Traits - WSJ

And with todays technology involving GMO humans you only get a 80% chance of getting the traits you go for.
Fertility Doctor Will Let Parents Build Their Own Baby - ABC News
 
Old 04-29-2015, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Whats wrong with our non-GMO corn?
.
chad...

all corn is gmo


I understand you having concerns ..... but GMO have been proven to be safe


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Study of 100 Billion Animals Finds GMOs Safe




Genetically modified (GM) crops have been used to feed livestock since 1996, and it now makes up to 90% of all animal feed in the United States. Since this introduction, there has been massive controversy surrounding the safety of this practice. Unfortunately, the validity of the conversation has been sullied by anecdotal evidence and “studies” in journals not subjected to peer review that claim GM food causes a host of physical ailments, including cancer.

However, Alison Van Eenennaam of University of California, Davis, led a comprehensive analysis of studies regarding livestock health between 1983 (13 years before GM crops were introduced) and 2011,which included a total of 100 billion animals collectively eating trillions of GM meals. Ultimately, the study has found that GM feed does not have a negative affect on the animals, and that they are about as nutritionally equivalent as animals who are not fed GM crops. The study was published in the Journal of Animal Science, and will be made open access after October 1.

This study is not the first of its kind, though it is the most inclusive. Alessandro Nicolia of the University of Perugia in Italy published a review last fall of 1,783 papers over a 10 year period that sought to understand the risk of GM crops on the environment. Ultimately, there was no evidence showing GM food poses a significant risk.

---snip--
Study of 100 Billion Animals Finds GMOs Safe | IFLScience

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What does science say about GMO’s–they’re safe

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) is a prestigious international non-profit organization that has as its stated goals to promote cooperation among scientists, to defend scientific freedom, to encourage scientific responsibility, and to support scientific education and science outreach for the betterment of all humanity. AAAS is the world’s largest and most prestigious general scientific society, and is the publisher of the well-known scientific journal Science.

http://www.aaas.org/sites/default/fi..._statement.pdf
""The science is quite clear: crop improvement by the modern molecular techniques of biotechnology is safe … The World Health Organization, the American Medical Association, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the British Royal Society, and every other respected organization that has examined the evidence has come to the same conclusion: consuming foods containing ingredients derived from GM crops is no riskier than consuming the same foods containing ingredients from crop plants modified by conventional plant improvement techniques.""
 
Old 04-29-2015, 03:46 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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chad...

all corn is gmo


I understand you having concerns ..... but GMO have been proven to be safe

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However, Alison Van Eenennaam of University of California, Davis, led a comprehensive analysis of studies regarding livestock health between 1983 (13 years before GM crops were introduced) and 2011,which included a total of 100 billion animals collectively eating trillions of GM meals. Ultimately, the study has found that GM feed does not have a negative affect on the animals, and that they are about as nutritionally equivalent as animals who are not fed GM crops. The study was published in the Journal of Animal Science, and will be made open access after October 1.

This study is not the first of its kind, though it is the most inclusive. Alessandro Nicolia of the University of Perugia in Italy published a review last fall of 1,783 papers over a 10 year period that sought to understand the risk of GM crops on the environment. Ultimately, there was no evidence showing GM food poses a significant risk.

---snip--
Study of 100 Billion Animals Finds GMOs Safe | IFLScience
Alison Van Eenennaam works for Monsanto (as if she will say something bad about GMO's)
Alison L. Van Eenennaam - SourceWatch

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What does science say about GMO’s–they’re safe
What do (you) say about GMO's?

Do you believe we have full understanding of DNA?

Do you think its wise to casually make GMO's in areas they are not even needed?

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Old 04-29-2015, 04:08 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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""The science is quite clear: crop improvement by the modern molecular techniques of biotechnology is safe … The World Health Organization.
Are you going to trust the World Health Organization in matters of GMO's?

You say "man made global warming is a lie", but the World Health Organization says man made global warming is happening.
WHO | Global climate change: implications for international public health policy

With the World Health Organization lying about global warming, are you going to trust them in matters of GMO's?

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the American Medical Association, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the British Royal Society, (and) The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) is a prestigious international non-profit organization.
The American Medical Association also says man made global warming is happening.
American Medical Association Highlights Health & Climate Change Link

The U.S.NAOS says man made global warming is happening.
Climate Change: Evidence and Causes » Climate Change at the National Academies

The BRS says man made global warming is happening.
https://royalsociety.org/policy/proj...idence-causes/

The AAAS says man made global warming is happening.
What We Know | What We Know



In post #4 in the following thread you said "man made climate change...FALSE... saying man made or man causes it is a lie."
http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...rming-has.html

Will you admit your above sources are liars?

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Old 04-29-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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You caught that (your very observant.)

And "Yes" you are a rational forum member.

Chad.
good to know

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GMO food crops hold incredible potential to get us past plant disease and large insect infestations. But just like America's doctors overprescribe antibiotics and create resistant germs, you want to overprescribe GMO's.
it's good to see that you recognize the potential without writing them off entirely, that is a good start.

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Whats wrong with our non-GMO corn?
Whats wrong with our non-GMO cabbage?
nothing. buy those if you want them. in fact, since no cabbage is GMO, that's the only kind you CAN buy.

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Fact is you can get non-GMO corn and non-GMO cabbage in all the quantities you need and at low prices. But you want to GMO everything now for corporate profits, instead of later for humanities protection. But "YES" some GMO's are needed now.
it's up to the grower, really. if the person producing the crop is willing to pay the premium price for GMO seeds because of the greater production/lower total input costs/disease resistance - whatever 'value-added' trait he's paying for - he's free to do so. or to buy something else.

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And can we create a human GMO with a desired skin color, eye color, hair color, sex, body type, and personality we desire?

Answer: No we can't, because the science of DNA modification is in its infancy. But you speak of GMO technology as something we deeply understand such as basic math.
we can't, because all of those are multi-factorial traits that can't be altered with a single gene.

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Alison Van Eenennaam works for Monsanto (as if she will say something bad about GMO's)
Alison L. Van Eenennaam - SourceWatch
worked, not works. 15 years ago. how long do you think she should wait after working for Monsanto before she's believable?

here's a study from a german author with no ties to Monsanto:
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On average, GM technology adoption has reduced chemical pesticide use by 37%, increased crop yields by 22%, and increased farmer profits by 68%. Yield gains and pesticide reductions are larger for insect-resistant crops than for herbicide-tolerant crops. Yield and profit gains are higher in developing countries than in developed countries.
PLOS ONE: A Meta-Analysis of the Impacts of Genetically Modified Crops
here's another meta-analysis by Italian scientists, again with no ties to Monsanto:
Massive Review Reveals Consensus on GMO Safety | RealClearScience


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What do (you) say about GMO's?

Do you believe we have full understanding of DNA?

Do you think its wise to casually make GMO's in areas they are not even needed?
how do you know they aren't needed? didn't you just say they have 'incredible potential'?

again, it's really up to the person buying the GMO product to decide whether they're needed or not.
if they don't need pesticide resistance, or insect resistance, or whatever trait or traits they'd be paying extra for, they won't buy it.
pretty simple.

if you feel we can't we can't modify DNA in any way until we have a 'full understanding,' we're going to have to throw out virtually every single plant product we eat, because they were developed with virtually zero understanding of the underlying genetics involved.
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