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Old 05-04-2015, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by Hyperthetic View Post
Marriage is a right, unless you choose it to be a privilege.
No, you just seem to not know the difference between a religious/secular marriage and a civil marriage.....also, what does them having a secular marriage have anything to do with this topic?
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Old 05-04-2015, 12:16 AM
 
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No, you just seem to not know the difference between a religious/secular marriage and a civil marriage.....also, what does them having a secular marriage have anything to do with this topic?
"Secular" MEANS State.

"Civil" is civil; it ain't sacred.

Secular ain't no more sacred than a mortgage.

Banks write the "laws", and we all know who owns the banks.

Hillary Clinton was quoted by "The Nation" in the 90s - "You can't BE a lawyer without representing the banks."

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Old 05-04-2015, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Time was when most religions viewed marriage as an obligation (usually to sustain the cult before the powers of the time could wipe them out); and some still do.

The current fad of same-sex marriage is an aberration -- created by the quirks of our media-obsessed and gratification-driven society. It simply could not exist anywhere but on the pan-sexual fringes of the First World, and it will likely die a natural death as the inability of an overbuilt "safety net" to sustain it becomes more apparent.
You think...
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Old 05-04-2015, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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"Secular" MEANS State.

"Civil" is civil; it ain't sacred.

Secular ain't no more sacred than a mortgage.

Banks write the "laws", and we all know who owns the banks.
Secular does not mean state.

A Civil Marriage is just a legally binding document that combines a ton of things into one simple document. Not sure what banks have to do with Civil Marriage either, you seem to be drifting off topic....
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Old 05-04-2015, 12:36 AM
 
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Secular does not mean state.

A Civil Marriage is just a legally binding document that combines a ton of things into one simple document. Not sure what banks have to do with Civil Marriage either, you seem to be drifting off topic....
Love, honor and obey - the banks.

Gay people are so gay.

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Old 05-04-2015, 01:00 AM
 
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Secular does not mean state.

adjective sec·u·lar \ˈse-kyə-lər\

: of, relating to, or controlled by the government rather than by the church

Secular | Definition of secular by Merriam-Webster
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:06 AM
 
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How do you know what I do or do not hate?

God is not an "it."
What else would it be?
You call your God 'he'? Why? Does it have a penis? What makes it male?
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:23 AM
 
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Two things. I didn't read any of the replies.

Marriage IMO isn't a right. If it was there are many who want to get married that aren't that we would have to find an answer to.

Driving isn't a right either but the government can't say "no, you can't have a drivers license because you are gay".

Second.....the law banning same sex marriage in California passed becuase blacks and Latinos overwhelmingly supported the ban.

Odd I rarely see them get called out.
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:23 AM
 
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The exercise of a right needs no permission.
If one needs permission, it's not a right.
MARRIAGE - Legal union of one man and one woman as husband and wife. Singer v. Hara, 11 Wash. App. 247,522 P.2d 1187,1193. Marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married, is the legal status, condition, or relation of one man and one woman united in law for life, or until divorced, for the discharge to each other and the community of duties legally incumbent on those whose associations is founded on the distinction of sex. A contract, according to the form prescribed by law, by which a man and a woman capable of entering into such contract, mutually engage with each other to live their whole lives (or until divorced) together in state of union which ought to exist between a husband and a wife.
- - -Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P.972

SOLEMNIZATION - To enter marriage publicly before witnesses on contrast to a clandestine or common law marriage.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P.1392

COMMON LAW MARRIAGE - One not solemnized in the ordinary way (i.e. ceremonial) but created by an agreement to marry, followed by cohabitation. A consummated agreement to marry between persons legally capable of making marriage contract, per verba de praesenti, followed by cohabitation...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P.277

CURTESY - The estate to which by common law a man is entitled, on the death of his wife, in the lands or tenements of which she was seised in possession in fee-simple or in tail during her coverture, provided they have had LAWFUL ISSUE BORN ALIVE which might have been capable of inheriting the estate.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 383

MARRIAGE LICENSE - A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to INTERMARRY, usually addressed to the minister or magistrate who is to perform the ceremony, or, in general terms, to any one authorized to solemnize marriages. By statute in most jurisdictions, it is made an essential prerequisite to the lawful solemnization of the marriage.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P.973
Question : What changed so that people no longer had the legal capability to marry without license?

Are you STILL using an outdated 6th edition of Black's Law Dictionary from 25 years ago in 1990?

Try at least the 9th edition (the 10th edition was published last year but I don't have free access yet)

Black's Law Dictionary:

marriage, n. (Bc) 1. The legal union of a couple as spouses. - The essentials of a valid marriage are (1) parties legally capable of contracting to marry, (2) mutual consent or agreement, and (3) an actual contracting in the form prescribed by law. Marriage has important consequences in many areas of the law, such as torts, criminal law, evidence, debtor-creditor relations, property, and contracts.

-Black’s Law Dictionary Ninth Edition 2009 Pg 1059



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black's_Law_Dictionary
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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adjective sec·u·lar \ˈse-kyə-lər\

: of, relating to, or controlled by the government rather than by the church

Secular | Definition of secular by Merriam-Webster
You skipped over the first part of the definition, the part you know I was talking about....


not spiritual : of or relating to the physical world and not the spiritual world
: not religious
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