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It's funny how you keep prattling on about how much hate there is in Islam, while Geller and the fools who follow her, or think it was a "great idea", are quite hateful themselves.
Look to the left, there's a big ol' crack in that glass house of yours.
You have run out of your quota of credibility for today.
For instance, Pastor Terry Jones (burn the Quran fame) and Pamela Geller (draw a cartoon of areligious figure) condemn/hate Islam and are vocal about it. Fear? Hubris? Financial gain? Thereason for their hatred is unimportant. It is hatred targeted at a religion, Islam, disguised as Freedom ofSpeech and used to incite hatred and fear against Muslims and Islam. An unsupported opinion is not fact.
Are Jones and Geller criminals; for hate crimes?
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s opinion in the US Supreme Courtcase Schenck v United States in 1919, highlights that speech which is dangerous and false is not protectedunder the First Amendment, as opposed to speech which is truthful but also dangerous.
Where do you draw a line? Do you?
I'd like to draw the line at bringing you up for charges for trying to impose your thought control on others rather than bringing them to court for bogus "hate crimes" just because they have an opinion you don't like.
And no, I don't mean that I seriously want you brought up on charges. I'm just making a point that censoring unpopular opinions is bogus.
That is a major reach to say Schenck v. United States applies to what Terry Jones and Pamela Gellar have done. The case applied to distributing leaflets against a wartime draft, a clear conflict of interest with civil interests. As we are not an Islamic nation, nor do we have any significant Islamic fundamentalist voting base, we are not interested in what Islamic fanatics think about that beyond any security issues that arise, which we can deal with as they come up.
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How is a cartoon and art contest hatefull? Hate is muslims who throw gays off roofs, and stone women. Hate is christian churchs with kill gays signs. Hate is muslims who execute people for being christian.
Geller and her idiot followers can draw whatever they want, it doesn't mean that I don't think they are hate filled tool sheds. Nonetheless, I will not vote to take away the freedom to express that hatred, no matter how stupid it makes them look, and anyone who thinks it's a "good idea" and that it proves they "aren't cowering". People don't understand the difference between cowering and just not being a hate filled ass.
That's EXACTLY what the First Amendment is designed to protect.
The OP (and extreme Muslims) have no intention of tolerating the right of people to speak their minds when it comes to their religion. This is EXACTLY what the First is designed to protect.
If free speech is to be free, then it has to be free; especially for those who speak what one doesn't like!
The civil rights movement, womens, minority and LGBT equality would have never been successful if free speech wasn't protected!
Why is it so hard for zealots to understand?
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Originally Posted by jamies
How is a cartoon and art contest hatefull? Hate is muslims who throw gays off roofs, and stone women. Hate is christian churchs with kill gays signs. Hate is muslims who execute people for being christian.
Yes - except, in your attempt to be politically correct, you called out the only group who has not acted out their hatred. Speech is protected, while acting on that hate and murdering people is not!!!
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The organizer of the event has expressed hate towards Muslims dozens of times, google her name
For the millionth time, those who choose to respond with violence when they are offended are alone responsible for their actions. They aren't drones, they make their choices. The fault is 100% upon them. You simply cannot limit the speech of others because savages might act out violently against that speech.
Inciting people to commit hate crimes should be a crime -- that should include baiting people to commit a hate crime.
You sound like a child!
(Are you?)
No One can 'incite' anyone unless the 'incited' one's were looking to be 'incited'!
Or to put it another way .. If you have no control over your own emotions, you clearly are not an adult!
or maybe
Conservative, mature and rational thinking Parents train their children to deal with the unpleasantries of life.
You must be a liberal?
For instance, Pastor Terry Jones (burn the Quran fame) and Pamela Geller (draw a cartoon of areligious figure) condemn/hate Islam and are vocal about it. Fear? Hubris? Financial gain? Thereason for their hatred is unimportant. It is hatred targeted at a religion, Islam, disguised as Freedom ofSpeech and used to incite hatred and fear against Muslims and Islam. An unsupported opinion is not fact.
Are Jones and Geller criminals; for hate crimes?
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s opinion in the US Supreme Courtcase Schenck v United States in 1919, highlights that speech which is dangerous and false is not protectedunder the First Amendment, as opposed to speech which is truthful but also dangerous.
Where do you draw a line? Do you?
I might *personally* draw the line at a pro-gun/NRA rallies at Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc.
But it's not my line to draw.
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