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If we paid no taxes at all, it would be heaven on earth!
Seriously, I want good roads, planned cities, fire and police protection, public schools, state universities, social security, etc. There are no free lunches!
I picture the perfect Libertarian world to look like rural Mexico. Jacked up roads, falling down houses, poor people everywhere, a few who take advantage of the masses in armed compounds, dirty water, poison food... That's what you get when no one pays taxes.
Those should all be local responsibilities. Sending more money to the federal government doesn't do much other than just leave me with less money.
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If we paid no taxes at all, it would be heaven on earth!
Seriously, I want good roads, planned cities, fire and police protection, public schools, state universities, social security, etc. There are no free lunches!
I picture the perfect Libertarian world to look like rural Mexico. Jacked up roads, falling down houses, poor people everywhere, a few who take advantage of the masses in armed compounds, dirty water, poison food... That's what you get when no one pays taxes.
Thats why they have a tax on your land and on the gas you buy, that is
what pays for your roads and your education, not income tax.
Don't forget that saving money is a good thing for the economy. It's a major idea in the fair tax.
What I was getting at with my OP is this.
The Govt. is giving us "rebates" in HOPES we will go out and spend it on a new Plasma TV (or something of the sort). This basically means that, according to our current administation, you let people have their money, they will spend it and the economy will benefit.
THIS IS THE WHOLE PREMISE BEHIND THE FAIR TAX, and our government just spelled it out for us!!! Let people keep their money and the economy and country will BENEFIT!!
It can't be put much simpler than that and our Govt. just spelled it out for us.
Liberals would rather take money from everybody and put a little money back in the hands of a few people, whereas conservatives would rather just let everyone keep more of their own money to begin with.
Either way, it's an admission that more money in the hands of the people is what drives the economy...something that conservatives have known for a long time, which is why we like tax cuts and hate tax hikes.
If we paid no taxes at all, it would be heaven on earth!
Seriously, I want good roads, planned cities, fire and police protection, public schools, state universities, social security, etc. There are no free lunches!
Most of the things that you listed are currently paid by property taxes, not income taxes [ie, roads, planned cities, fire and police protection, public schools].
While Social Security is an insurance policy that each individual is allowed to join and pay into, or not. Still not supported by tax dollars.
Let the people KEEP their money and watch the economy soar?
Amen!!! I've believed for a long time that scrapping the whole odious IRS & tax code would be a huge victory for Freedom!
My only concern with Fair Tax—a "sine qua non" for making any move to a consumption-based Federal tax—is that we MUST repeal the 16th Amendment which undergirds the whole income-based tax scheme. This absolutely has to be part of the package.
Realistically, we all know how greedy bureaucrats can't keep their pilfering hands off our wallets.
So unless we get rid of the Constitutional basis for income taxes, I'm afraid instituting a consumption-based tax would only ensure that someday, we'd get stuck with both!
You have got it backwards. Compassionate Conservative businesses take from everybody and keep the money for their own few. Liberals, and socialists like me, would take from these few and give it back to the people lost it through corporate extortion.
A free market cannot exist if one of the parties to the transaction is forced to participate. People need food, shelter and health care because without them they die. Requiring these to be rationed in a money marker is just as coercive as taking their money with a gun. Businesses frequently use the government “lawmen” to do the latter when the threat of starvation is insufficient to get the poor to pass over whatever they have.
Compassion and unlimited power and profit are never seen together.
You have got it backwards. Compassionate Conservative businesses take from everybody and keep the money for their own few. Liberals, and socialists like me, would take from these few and give it back to the people lost it through corporate extortion.
lol, yeah, how dare Wal-Mart and Exxon create businesses that provide people with something they can't live without.
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A free market cannot exist if one of the parties to the transaction is forced to participate. People need food, shelter and health care because without them they die. Requiring these to be rationed in a money marker is just as coercive as taking their money with a gun. Businesses frequently use the government “lawmen” to do the latter when the threat of starvation is insufficient to get the poor to pass over whatever they have.
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Compassion and unlimited power and profit are never seen together.
So anything that is necessary to survive should be government provided? Well, I need my car to get to work to earn a living, so I should get a car. I need my TV to unwind after a hard day at work, so I should get a TV. And so on, right?
This rebate is nonsense. It is proof that the government over taxes our incomes in
the first place. Now they are kowtowing during an election year. Whatever money I get is going into a Swiss or European bank account.
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