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Old 05-10-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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The consternation regarding the migration of Asian and African into Europe, to put it lightly, smacks of the worst kind of ingratitude. Aside from the immense riches that the European powers extracted from Asia and Africa, there is the issue that 4 million Asians and Africans fought in Europe for England and France during WWI, similar numbers were employed in the second. So now having paid in blood and treasure to literally save Europe from itself, that their descendants call in the debt, they are viewed as unwelcome interlopers. How curious.
Might want to see Europe while it is still European and civilized. The barbarians recreate the conditions they flee.
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Old 05-10-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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Well West Africa was a s***hole and still is a s***hole. Frankly any money we've spent over there or any lives we lost was far too many. I don't care about Timbuktu's libraries. What innovations have they brought the world? What technology have they developed? How are the West African economies? What is their infrastructure like? If their civilization is so great, why do so many flee the African continent to the west?
The ridiculous myth of the wonderful African civilizations is absolutely hysterical. Any place where they never managed to invent the wheel is clearly defined as a pestilential mud hole any way you look at it.
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Old 05-10-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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None of this is aid. There usually are some huge strings attached to it. Even America's aid to Israel has huge strings attached to it.
Oh yeah, we shouldn't have any strings attached to it. That way the corrupt leadership can steal even more.
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Old 05-10-2015, 10:18 AM
 
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Read a book and do better. There's no reason for the idiocy. Repeat to yourself that Africa is CONTINENT.
I bet you get all your information from Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization. Whenever I want a really good laugh, I read a few paragraphs. It has no equal for published stupidity.
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Old 05-10-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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We were part of it too
To a degree, certainly not as bad as some of the Europeans. Still doesn't mean the U.S. owes them anything.

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Europe doesn't "owe" its former colonies a thing. Many times the colonies kicked the Europeans OUT so they can just suck it up and take care of business. Too; Japan was a colonial country and no 1 out there says Japan owes Korea or Taiwan jack except an apology to those women from there being forced to be "comfort women".
Never said Europe does owe them anything, only that Europe will have to decide how to handle its own historical legacy. Same with Japan.
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Old 05-10-2015, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The Chinese could have ruled the world long ago, if they had greater imperialistic desires. They had some of the finest ships in the world, and in the numbers to get the job done. They were more concerned about their own nation, as we should be today.

And while Europe was barreling back to the stone age, China had become one of the most advanced nations. Europe was too busy killing itself for a variety of reasons that make little sense today. Oh ya, and trying to rediscover all the things that used to make their lives civilized.

Once Europe got their crap together, they would go on to benefit from many of the innovations of the east, particularly gun powder. Of course, trade wasn't mutually beneficial. The relationship with Europe was destined to be China's downfall.

There is much more to human history than the past 100 years.
I'm not talking about China, I'm talking about the 3rd world nations whose people are flooding the West today. I'm well aware of Chinese history, but I was speaking of sub-Saharan African nations and certain Asian nations.
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Old 05-10-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Whatever makes you feel better. Of course, you don't care about the libraries. Such libraries contain the wealth of information that turns your ignorant comments on their head. From medicine to religious guidance...amazing.
So amazing that they ruled the world, built a long lasting dominant civilization, and are still great today....
Oh wait, with this "wealth of information" they have done exactly nothing. Mali has taken their "wealth of information" into an awesome per capita nominal GDP of 631 USD. Why is that Afro-centrists are always pointing to "long lost" things hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, when these mythical African empires were so advanced? What happened in the intervening time? How come almost the entire continent of Africa is a giant dump today and has been for quite some time?

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Not that many flee. Nowhere near the numbers that Europeans fled their nations to the Americas. If Europe was so great, they would have stayed.
Not that many flee? Tell that to the European nations being overrun.

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More than 4,000 migrants arrive in Europe by boat in just TWO DAYS | Daily Mail Online

Those people aren't leaving Europe for Africa. Now they are fleeing the dark continent for Europe.

As for Europeans moving to America. Well look what they built. Europeans left Europe and then built the mightiest nation in the world. America is still the only country to put a man on the moon. Europe is not being made better by being flooded with the 3rd world. America isn't better for taking on Central America's refuse.
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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To a degree, certainly not as bad as some of the Europeans. Still doesn't mean the U.S. owes them anything.



Never said Europe does owe them anything, only that Europe will have to decide how to handle its own historical legacy. Same with Japan.
Please remember the colonies pretty much gave Europe the boot because it wasn't worth Europe's resources to try to keep what's now most of Africa, LatAm, the US or part of Asia. Hell; Russia figured out real quick they had to walk away from THEIR colonies like Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Ukraine and so on and this was just a few years ago. Too much drama involved for too little gain.
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Please remember the colonies pretty much gave Europe the boot because it wasn't worth Europe's resources to try to keep what's now most of Africa, LatAm, the US or part of Asia. Hell; Russia figured out real quick they had to walk away from THEIR colonies like Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Ukraine and so on and this was just a few years ago. Too much drama involved for too little gain.
Most of them did, some with violent revolutions like in Latin America, Haiti, Vietnam, even the U.S. Others the Europeans left because it was not worth it possessing them any more. You are correct with the colonies, too much drama for too little gain.
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If immigrants are building too strong communities in Europe, the local populations will become irritated and the extremists will start to manifest violently against immigrants. It is not good for the citizens and it certainly is not good for the new immigrants. It is just common sense stuff.

Europe should first take care of it’s own citizens, make sure all of them live above a set standard.
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