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Old 11-09-2006, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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Just a thought.
Election night gave victory to "today's" Democratic party, which is nothing like the party of FDR. They won, givin a "thumpin"? to today's Republican's of who are nothing like the party of Reagan.

Our new speaker is avowed Left Wing Socialist which also provides today's America with individuals like Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, Charles Rangel, etc., in very powerful positions up to controlling our national security.

Yesterday America went to the polls. Party aside we elected or re-elected
A alcoholic from Massachusetts who walked away from manslaughter.
A former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan representing West Virginia
A Nation of Islam member from Minnesota
A carpetbagger from Illinois, by way of Arkansas, to New York.

What did we replace?
Two individuals guilty of fraud
An alcoholic pedofile
and one person on his way to jail.

As I watch the news to see what other direction Today's America is going in, I hope to see world events, items on the economy, how our border will continue to be wide open, our soldiers in harms way. But what is the top story on ABC, MSNBC, and Fox News this evening in Today's America? Well, Britney Spears and her marriage issues

Has pop culture and the Me crowd finally succeeded in clouding Todays America's version of reality?


You decide
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Old 11-09-2006, 04:39 PM
 
Location: N.H.
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Just a thought.
Election night gave victory to "today's" Democratic party, which is nothing like the party of FDR. They won, givin a "thumpin"? to today's Republican's of who are nothing like the party of Reagan.

Our new speaker is avowed Left Wing Socialist which also provides today's America with individuals like Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, Charles Rangel, etc., in very powerful positions up to controlling our national security.

Yesterday America went to the polls. Party aside we elected or re-elected
A alcoholic from Massachusetts who walked away from manslaughter.
A former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan representing West Virginia
A Nation of Islam member from Minnesota
A carpetbagger from Illinois, by way of Arkansas, to New York.

What did we replace?
Two individuals guilty of fraud
An alcoholic pedofile
and one person on his way to jail.

As I watch the news to see what other direction Today's America is going in, I hope to see world events, items on the economy, how our border will continue to be wide open, our soldiers in harms way. But what is the top story on ABC, MSNBC, and Fox News this evening in Today's America? Well, Britney Spears and her marriage issues

Has pop culture and the Me crowd finally succeeded in clouding Todays America's version of reality?


You decide
LOL you make a very good point. thats probobly why the 18 to 30 year olds usually don't vote.
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Old 11-09-2006, 04:39 PM
 
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Gee, it could be we just SAVED the west.....hmmmm.....the people spoke, and voted. Democracy works.

I can't tell which political party you're talking about? Or are you talking about pedophile priests or a secretly-gay dope-snorting evangelical mega-church pastor, or Jim & Tammy Faye, or Jimmy Swaggart, or pro athletes, or some of those wonderful captains of industry (Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson, Tyco, Global Crossings)? It's so hard to tell the players without a scorecard. Glass is always half full and half empty, ehhh

s/mike
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Old 11-09-2006, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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Gee, it could be we just SAVED the west.....hmmmm.....the people spoke, and voted. Democracy works.

I can't tell which political party you're talking about? Or are you talking about pedophile priests or a secretly-gay dope-snorting evangelical mega-church pastor, or Jim & Tammy Faye, or Jimmy Swaggart, or pro athletes, or some of those wonderful captains of industry (Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson, Tyco, Global Crossings)? It's so hard to tell the players without a scorecard. Glass is always half full and half empty, ehhh

s/mike
Nope, talking about both parties,

In short, two wrongs don't make a right, we kicked out the scoundrels and replaced them with............... scoundrels.

Good example of your comment:

pedophile priests - mostly democrat
secretly-gay dope-snorting evangelical mega-church pastor, or Jim & Tammy Faye - Republican
Jimmy Swaggart - Democrat and huge fundraiser for LA Dem's including Mary Landreau D- Sen of Louisiana
pro athletes - Mix well those who can read anyway
Enron - RNC fundraiser
Worldcom, Arthur Anderson - DNC fundraiser / Authur Anderson had ties with Soros
Tyco, Global Crossings - RNC fundraiser

I don't think the people spoke, just after 30 years of dumbing down America I think we all just lost. Have been since 1988.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:12 PM
 
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Default Re: Two wrongs....dumbing down of America

....Yes, at least as far back as 1988....maybe further

My gripe is single-issue politics. I think politicians love this, pick an issue, separate the people into For or Against camps, then play each camp against the other. They have us divided up into topic-specific segments and preach to each one separately. They hope to please just enough people to get by in an election. Have we seen decent political ads in the past 20 years? No, it's all mud slinging on side issues and a total avoidance of saying anything solid about any topic, along with a few reminders of how they'll "protect" our tax dollars. Hell, no one likes taxes. Any jerk running for office who wants a few votes always stands up and flaps his gums about tax cuts. In the 1996 election, when Bob Dole desperately needed something to beat Clinton, late in the campaign, he came out with a promise to cut taxes 15%. Amazingly, no one believed him and he lost, even after that gimmick. That's about the last time the voters showed much intelligence.

They've had us citizens beating each other's brains out for almost 20 years on abortion, gun control, pollution, etc, and now they've added gay rights and defense of marriage into the mix. Meanwhile, they rob us blind with tax cuts for the rich while distracting us with trivialities like defense of marriage and smoker's rights, etc.

Gun control isn't going anywhere, but it's a great "fear factor" issue to invoke when the spotlight on corruption gets too bright, it riles people up and makes money flow into special interest groups who do what they want to with that money. Same for the abortion issue.

Another big fear factor issue is the environment. For decades the Sierra Club bitterly opposed nuclear power, even though it's safe. Now the long-time head of that group is outspoken about how we SHOULD go back to nukes for generating electricity. Gee, guess he found a bigger pot of money, or was he wrong all along....laughing all the way to the bank....

As long as we're distracted by all manner of sports, soap operas, "reality" tv, airheads, pirnographic websites, girls gone wild, girls next door, talking heads of every sort, etc, we'll never focus on the real issues of health care, getting back to a balanced budget, energy independence, border control, gridlock on the highways and railroads, crime, gangs, drugs, terrorism, etc.

They've dumbed down the nation quite a bit, but there are some of us out here who can still focus on serious issues and sometimes we get riled up enough to vote the bums out. Hopefully, the incredible excesses of the Bush administration are about to depart and some balance may be restored. We can only hope. And write letters. Future politicians will have to focus on serious issues and fix real things if they want some longevity.

s/Mike
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:35 PM
 
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Gee, it could be we just SAVED the west.....hmmmm.....the people spoke, and voted. Democracy works.

s/mike
Mike, The people spoke, and voted. Democracy works.....and this time no one screamed "foul"...my vote wasn't counted, my chads are hanging, they stole the election. I am proud of the Republicans for not taking that road.

However, I do agree with the major part of your last post. We are being the victims of smoke and mirrors. Both parties try to distract us with issues that divide us, anything that strikes a nerve. Meanwhile, they spend our money like it is theirs!
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Missouri
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I have really only a few fears as I think those predicting America's demise are always proven wrong (remember the doomsayers of the 1970's? who said we were heading to the dustbin of history? Or the paranoia of the mid-80's that Japan.Corp would buy us all out and make us Japanese slaves? Or the Evil Empire/West struggle that had gone on for what...50 years and then in 1989 the Soviet Union imploded and disintegrated into Russia and the non-Russian republics whle the Iron Curtain across Europe evaporated? America thrived. There are always losers and winners in a free society and poverty and despair go up and down. I think we measure good decades by lower poverty and a general 'feel good' whereas during times of political instability (Vietnam/Johnson/Nixon/Watergate/double-digit inflationary recession through the 70's) we feel national despair, that things are failing and sick and hopeless and then the world looks bleak and we start listening to the doomsayers who make their big bucks selling books undescoring how bad things are and projecting the perceived now bad into the probable tomorrow doom. So far...none of it ever stuck, we've always come out on the sunny side.
But, this time I am worried. I'm not in despair, but I am worried. I'm worried about the savings rate being negative...meaning most Americans have no savings. I'm worried that most Americans have less than $10,000 in assets to their names. I'm worried that about half of Americans live fake successful lives now in ARM homes with all the equity drained, leased SUV's and lexuses, credit card debt at 25% interest and fees eating up a good chunk of the monthly income, and most being one job mistake or business failure from being on the street because they own nothing intrinsically. I worry that the National Debt has gotten so large that there's no way to depend on the dollar being able to hold its value, or, any way for us to keep paying the interest on American money we spend on foreign products from China, Japan, etc. who then funnel it back to the U.S. and pump it as liquidity back into our system through buying federal debt notes which require we pay more interest on that money. I worry that when the crash comes, unlike the 1970's where personal debt was manageable and the U.S. was a net creditor nation, we'll have a hundred million people broke, bankrupt, saddled with debts our new bankruptcy laws will never absolve them of, and we'll have a new class of a sizable proportion of America's population in debt servitude to the lenders, meaning...social unrest. I don't give a crap about North Korea or Iran. But I am worried about where America's going and one has to say, from Clinton on through GWB, their policies and that of our Congressmen and Senators have created this mess to such point that when it goes, the pain will take us back to a time in history that resembles the Great Depression or worse. During those times, radical ideologies blossom and anarchists begin to creep out of the woodwork, and business begins to get Robber Baronish. I think we'll emerge out of it, but I don't know what America will be like or look like when that happens if the Constitutional rights that protect us are allowed to be amended and abridged to restrict our freedoms. That's my fear for America.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:49 PM
 
Location: West Central Florida
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Very true, MoMark, the amount of personal debt in this country really freaks me out! I have many friends and acquaintances (and a few family members) who live paycheck to paycheck, have used up all the equity in their homes, have huge credit card debt (and continue to charge up more "stuff" every month) just to feel successful. Personally, I sleep better at night knowing I don't have many debt worries and my future is secure, as well as my 2 sons.
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Old 11-10-2006, 08:15 AM
 
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Very true, MoMark, the amount of personal debt in this country really freaks me out! I have many friends and acquaintances (and a few family members) who live paycheck to paycheck, have used up all the equity in their homes, have huge credit card debt (and continue to charge up more "stuff" every month) just to feel successful. Personally, I sleep better at night knowing I don't have many debt worries and my future is secure, as well as my 2 sons.
Yeah I have my 401K's and credit cards payed off and good salary and so forth, and my retirement planned. What I worry about is their problem may eventually become MY problem. Who will pay when all these freeloaders that just have to have the Lexus and the $800k houses finally defaults and files for bancruptcy? Taxpayers, you and I.

It comes down to personal responsibilty, or the lack of. Today's culture says that when a person has a problem, a loss, a misfortune, an accident, an addiction, a sickness, it is not there problem, but YOUR problem. That's why we had thousands of people sitting like a herd of helpless cows outside the NO superdome during Katrina, that's why we have rich lawyers suing McDonalds whenever a cup of coffee is spilled by a customer, that's why we have people thinking that the government owes them social security payouts exceeding what they paid into it so that when I retire nothing will be left.
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Old 11-10-2006, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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I must say this board is quite a relief, both sides of the ilse presenting views, debating, and not stooping to trivial namecalling and such.

You make a great point regarding the debt issues. Today's ME generation is a great example. I live outside of Atlanta and boy ole boy does the comments above hit home.
I for one have a decent home, normal cars, and debt free. We have great neighbors, and live in a safe area. No, you don't see Hummers, Mercedes 600's, and Escalades in the driveways of most homes here and it seems like a normal conversation of such during our get togethers. Most in my development live like me. Comfortable, but thrifty.

Once you leave our development and go up the road a few miles you can run into yuppie city.
Example:
- People in their 30's - 40's with 2.5 kids But how are they living?

Nothing to see Mommy in her spandex with the pony tail and ball cap driving the giant SUV that could make an aircraft carrier look like a PT boat. Complete with Blue Tooth, the DVD player, and Starbucks cup.
Driving back and forth like it is the world who owes her. Then Dad is at the 800K home on an interest only mortgage trying to find a way to pay the 30 day past due lease payment on the SUV.

Seems like anytime you go into a restaurant anymore and see a waitperson walking past to the other group (above) and giving back their maxed out Visa telling them they need some other form of payment.

Other items, Atlanta now has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation. Just drive through a few of those types of developments and see the signs. No, these are not your normal 4 BR 2 BA home with a 2 car garage, they are 6-7 BDRMS 4-5 bath 3-4 car garage homes!
Who in the bloodyheck needs a home this big? Do these folks realize there are taxes and upkeep on top of their interest only mortgage?

Anyway enough of my soapbox, it's time to ping Mo Mark for a rep boost on his response!
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