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Old 05-09-2015, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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i agree that we need to be good stewards of our environment. however we cannot go so far as to harm people and business. there has to be a balance between what is good for the environment, and what is good for business and people.
To what end? New technologies have "harmed" old businesses all the time, cars put blacksmiths, stable keepers, horse breeders, etc. largely out of business, so should we go back to the days of horse and buggy?
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:01 PM
 
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1) you can buy led bulbs that put out a lot of light for less wattage...

2) toilet paper is where it is because of inflation... You want better quality toilet paper but unwilling to pay its inflating cost?

3) Recycling doesn't help reduce costs, it helps decrease consumption of the supply... The problem with recycling is that government and businesses are using it as a revenue generator and using the BS cover of helping the planet... Recycling is a good thing but governments eff it up like usual...

4) solar is stupid at this point for most people, it is inefficient, cost prohibitive, and full of opportunists rather than leaders and pioneers... It will work at some point, just not in the near future...

5) I agree about the clean air act... Instead of improving air quality, it is being used as a political weapon by the democrats...
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:13 PM
 
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1) you can buy led bulbs that put out a lot of light for less wattage...

2) toilet paper is where it is because of inflation... You want better quality toilet paper but unwilling to pay its inflating cost?

3) Recycling doesn't help reduce costs, it helps decrease consumption of the supply... The problem with recycling is that government and businesses are using it as a revenue generator and using the BS cover of helping the planet... Recycling is a good thing but governments eff it up like usual...

4) solar is stupid at this point for most people, it is inefficient, cost prohibitive, and full of opportunists rather than leaders and pioneers... It will work at some point, just not in the near future...

5) I agree about the clean air act... Instead of improving air quality, it is being used as a political weapon by the democrats...
We have saved a fortune using LED's.
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:19 PM
 
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What a simplistic answer. The oil industry creates a tremendous number of jobs and those are good for people. Just want example. Just saying. We need to encourage businesses not environmentalism if we want a better economic future. For that matter, we also need to increase immigration as it will keep the labor cost reasonable and keep jobs in United States for, guess what, people.
Those jobs can just as easily be replaced by clean energy jobs. There is no human race if the environment becomes uninhabitable.

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Our country is mostly empty land. There is plenty, plenty of land to build and expand. Our goal should be to become one of the most populous countries in the world. More people give us more power.
No, our goal should be to create a prosperous, healthy society. Power is corrupt. Not concerned about being "more powerful" than other countries. That's so 20th century.
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:20 PM
 
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No, there doesn't. What is good for the oil business is not good for people or the environment. There is no negotiation. Polluting industries need to keep their money out of Congress and get out.
rubbish. we can balance pollution laws so that businesses can flourish while the environment also flourishes.

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To what end? New technologies have "harmed" old businesses all the time, cars put blacksmiths, stable keepers, horse breeders, etc. largely out of business, so should we go back to the days of horse and buggy?
technology changes all the time. i am no luddite, in fact i prefer technology since it can solve a lot of problems when put to good use. so why should we go back to the horse abd buggy days? and where did you get the idea that i might even want to go back to those days? i merely stated that environmental laws need to strike a proper balance between what is good for business and people, and what is good for teh environment.
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:21 PM
 
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4) solar is stupid at this point for most people, it is inefficient, cost prohibitive, and full of opportunists rather than leaders and pioneers... It will work at some point, just not in the near future...
Solar is remarkably efficient. Where on earth are you getting this information from?

Solar is cost-prohibitive because the industry doesn't get the amount of subsidies the oil industry gets. Maybe they should go bribe Congress like the oil tycoons.
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, as an enviro in reputation, pragmatist in action, I can relate to the OPs rant. Sure, some environmentally friendly products are a pain in the keester. But the choice is simply unacceptable. It might be a bumpy road, but there are too many humans to not keep trying to clean up our act. All change is challenging at times.
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:01 AM
 
Location: CA
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It's ok. The customers, consumers, and taxpayers will pay for it!! OH! I forgot!! we're all of those (well, some are taxpayers!)

Ok, so the teeter-totter is broken! Just jump on the merry-go-round -- eat, drink and be happy! (by candlelight)

Flush TWICE (unless you live in CA!) and may your TP rock-n-unroll!!
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:12 AM
 
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Solar is remarkably efficient. Where on earth are you getting this information from?

Solar is cost-prohibitive because the industry doesn't get the amount of subsidies the oil industry gets. Maybe they should go bribe Congress like the oil tycoons.
one more time, the oil companies DO NOT GET SUBSIDIES from the government. a subsidy is an actual payout of money. the oil companies get a depletion allowance which works like a depreciation allowance on equipment. the oil fields the companies own are "depreciated" over time. that allowance is taken as an expense, because that is exactly what it is. try getting your facts straight once.

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Well, as an enviro in reputation, pragmatist in action, I can relate to the OPs rant. Sure, some environmentally friendly products are a pain in the keester. But the choice is simply unacceptable. It might be a bumpy road, but there are too many humans to not keep trying to clean up our act. All change is challenging at times.
i agree with this. as environmentally friendly products become more mainstream, the price will come down. but that takes time.
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It can be done, and eventually it must be done.....Less than one per cent of Sweden’s household waste ends up in a landfill.. The rest is recycled in different ways. Sweden is one of the world leaders.
https://sweden.se/nature/the-swedish...ng-revolution/
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