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Old 05-09-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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In a heartbeat I would undo the "discovery" of the so-called "New World" (that name itself makes me vomit) by Columbus, and the ensuing slaughter of Native Americans (to call them "Indians" is an insult, although some of them prefer that term) and destruction of their habitats and culture by Europeans. Yes, I realize if I "undid" this, I wouldn't be here today, nor would the culture that I identify with.

I also am disgusted that Americans boast of "liberty" and "freedom" that they DO NOT have and NEVER DID have. Americans from all walks of life, both liberal and conservative, talk about how they have a "Constitutional right" to do this, or a "Constitutional right" to do that... this is all in their imaginations, and every American except me seems to have some ridiculous fantasy about what the Constitution says, using the very word "Constitution" in a sentence when trying to persuade anyone to accept a political point.

Here's what the Constitution actually is: a document written by SLAVEOWNERS (yes, they were white supremacists, and "all men are created equal" did NOT apply to non-white races in the view of these slaveowners). Also, the right-wing religious folks who insist the "Founding Fathers" (again, they were glorified slaveowners) envisioned America as a "Christian nation" are just plain mistaken, or even worse, are trying to rewrite historical facts. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, who believed a "creator" existed, but believed the same "creator" had no vision for the future of humanity. And guess what... Deism is now an almost entirely extinct religion because basic science eventually led Deists to become either atheists or agnostics. Why we in this country still adhere to an intellectual document written by people of an extinct religion and culture that NO (okay maybe two or three folks out in North Dakota somewhere) Americans today believe in is beyond me.

I'm not necessarily trying to destroy any American's fantasy about their country's history (in fact, Mormonism is a religion based on the notion that God directly had a hand in leading whites to eventually conquer the Americas), but I wish people inspired by the ACLU and other activist groups would stop b*tching about "The Constitution". People love to put words in the mouths of the Founding Fathers and are crying because maybe white police officers were disrespectful to an African American (which I'm sure does indeed happen, and it saddens me) but nothing in the Constitution should make us be surprised about that. And no, the Constitution doesn't entitle people to UNLIMITED gun rights, unlike the baloney and mumbo jumbo preached by the NRA. And these are just two examples of delusions held by both conservatives and liberals alike.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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If I had a time machine I'd go back 3 minutes and never click on this thread.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:36 PM
 
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Hmmmm.

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Old 05-09-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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Let me add some points: the REAL reason for the American Revolution was NOT to defend "freedom" or "democracy". In fact, the main motivation for it was to break away from the British Empire before it ABOLISHED slavery... which happened much earlier in the UK than it did in America, and there was no war about the issue in the UK.

And really, ANY group with ANY political agenda can easily spin their beliefs (no matter how sickening) to fit the Constitution in the eyes of the average American. For example, NAMbLA has done this (WARNING: if you haven't heard of this group already, you might faint if you find out their mission), along with the Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party, American Communist Party, Islamic jihadists, Mafia members, Mexican drug lords, people who agree with the Tutsi genocide, and hardcore pornographers.

I must say though... there must be something people find really attractive about the Constitution (or perhaps some really shrewd propaganda has been successful) considering the Constitution is the basis for most LAWS in our country, including a lot of very unpopular laws such as those that have draft dodgers locked up. The Constitution's purpose is NOT to protect "freedom"... rather, the Constitution leads to a lot of freedoms being DENIED.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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In a heartbeat I would undo the "discovery" of the so-called "New World" (that name itself makes me vomit) by Columbus, and the ensuing slaughter of Native Americans (to call them "Indians" is an insult, although some of them prefer that term) and destruction of their habitats and culture by Europeans. Yes, I realize if I "undid" this, I wouldn't be here today, nor would the culture that I identify with.

I also am disgusted that Americans boast of "liberty" and "freedom" that they DO NOT have and NEVER DID have. Americans from all walks of life, both liberal and conservative, talk about how they have a "Constitutional right" to do this, or a "Constitutional right" to do that... this is all in their imaginations, and every American except me seems to have some ridiculous fantasy about what the Constitution says, using the very word "Constitution" in a sentence when trying to persuade anyone to accept a political point.

Here's what the Constitution actually is: a document written by SLAVEOWNERS (yes, they were white supremacists, and "all men are created equal" did NOT apply to non-white races in the view of these slaveowners). Also, the right-wing religious folks who insist the "Founding Fathers" (again, they were glorified slaveowners) envisioned America as a "Christian nation" are just plain mistaken, or even worse, are trying to rewrite historical facts. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, who believed a "creator" existed, but believed the same "creator" had no vision for the future of humanity. And guess what... Deism is now an almost entirely extinct religion because basic science eventually led Deists to become either atheists or agnostics. Why we in this country still adhere to an intellectual document written by people of an extinct religion and culture that NO (okay maybe two or three folks out in North Dakota somewhere) Americans today believe in is beyond me.

I'm not necessarily trying to destroy any American's fantasy about their country's history (in fact, Mormonism is a religion based on the notion that God directly had a hand in leading whites to eventually conquer the Americas), but I wish people inspired by the ACLU and other activist groups would stop b*tching about "The Constitution". People love to put words in the mouths of the Founding Fathers and are crying because maybe white police officers were disrespectful to an African American (which I'm sure does indeed happen, and it saddens me) but nothing in the Constitution should make us be surprised about that. And no, the Constitution doesn't entitle people to UNLIMITED gun rights, unlike the baloney and mumbo jumbo preached by the NRA. And these are just two examples of delusions held by both conservatives and liberals alike.
Oh god...more white guilt.....Good luck with that. None here and never will be. I won't even read the entire rant first paragraph was enough.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:50 PM
 
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If I had a time machine I'd go back 3 minutes and never click on this thread.
I should have thought of that! Lol...
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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Whites SHOULD feel guilty! Not all of us were involved, but our ancestors were sick, twisted people. The truth hurts!
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:53 PM
 
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If I had a time machine I'd go back 3 minutes and never click on this thread.
LOL...fight the whiners with humor
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:53 PM
 
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Whites SHOULD feel guilty! Not all of us were involved, but our ancestors were sick, twisted people. The truth hurts!
Please, you are welcome to move back to Europe.... I am not white either...
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:56 PM
 
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Whites SHOULD feel guilty! Not all of us were involved, but our ancestors were sick, twisted people. The truth hurts!
If you had a time machine you could go back and drown yourself so you wouldn't be feeling so guilty today.
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