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Old 05-13-2015, 11:25 AM
 
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As member the Black middle class, it feel like I am struck between rock and place.

Sometimes our culture get hate on because of racism .

For example , Empire was getting hate but no one criticizing Dexter which is way worse.

Or when black women decide to go natural hair route but no one get on the other non black women for their hair.

The gangster sub culture is main problem of black american.

Another thing is light skin vs dark skin thing needs to end.

Lastly , We stop hating white people and forgive but not forget.
I understand where you are coming from, but wanted to share that as a member of the black middle class, I don't feel stuck at all.

I recognize that our country was built upon a system which puts black people in all categories on the bottom, no matter indivdiual accomplishments or how vast the individual accomplishments are, this system will place negative traits and characteristics on us regardless of what we do in life (system is called white supremacy).

Due to me knowing and understanding this from both a social and historical perspective, it doesn't bother me at all or make me feel "less than" anyone else due to being a black person or having people try to put negative traits on me as a black person/woman.

Light skin/dark skin/colorism issues are the same as the system I am spoke of above. They are a by-product of this system and I do feel that this is a major issue that black people need to change in this country. I also feel that what I call the "inferiority complex" needs to be remedied, which means the idea that black people are less than or inferior to other ethnic groups in this country. This inferiority complex is heavily entrenched in black America and is the reason why many on this very forum have admitted that they "try" to "be their best" or "do their best" in an effort to "prove" that black people are "good." We are inherently the same as other people. It is idiotic to not believe this and it is ridiculous to believe that the whole society's viewpoint of black Americans on the whole will change just because little Jamal got a STEM degree and works for Apple. Individual achievements make no difference in the greater society's opinion of blacks.

Also, on the whole, I don't think most blacks "hate" white people. Black people are known to be extraordinarily capable of forgiveness, which is why so many were able to participate in non-violent demonstration and even proclaim "love" of their abusers. This trait is still very prevalent amongst blacks in this country. IMO it is a fallacy to even think that a large amount of black people "hate" whites.

I am black and don't hate whites. I would guess that you as a black person also don't hate whites. Hardly any of us "hate" whites.

I do hate the fact that we are viewed poorly and through negative lens because it is unnecessary and uncalled for. But not only whites view us negatively. Many black people, which is also exhibited on this forum and is even somewhat evident in the OP, view black Americans as negative or in need of "solutions" to specific problems that are not unique to being an American in general.

IMO the only change needed in "black culture" is to delete the idea that we need to obtain white people or general American society's approval of us. It is sickening if you really think about it. Too many of us down each other and seek to impress someone on how we are....basically.... a "good negro."

This can be seen even in your example where blacks go on and on about Empire perpetuating stereotypes yet whites have all kinds of sickening shows like Dexter and Sons of Anarchy and their crazy a$$ housewives and mob wives and such as well. Regardless of whether Empire is on TV or not, people will still view blacks with a stereotypical view. So it is not really contributing anything at all to the general society's view of us. Those so adamant against it and similar shows just want to put on a "good negro" show for whites and other Americans subconsciously.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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I understand where you are coming from, but wanted to share that as a member of the black middle class, I don't feel stuck at all.

I recognize that our country was built upon a system which puts black people in all categories on the bottom, no matter indivdiual accomplishments or how vast the individual accomplishments are, this system will place negative traits and characteristics on us regardless of what we do in life (system is called white supremacy).

Due to me knowing and understanding this from both a social and historical perspective, it doesn't bother me at all or make me feel "less than" anyone else due to being a black person or having people try to put negative traits on me as a black person/woman.

Light skin/dark skin/colorism issues are the same as the system I am spoke of above. They are a by-product of this system and I do feel that this is a major issue that black people need to change in this country. I also feel that what I call the "inferiority complex" needs to be remedied, which means the idea that black people are less than or inferior to other ethnic groups in this country. This inferiority complex is heavily entrenched in black America and is the reason why many on this very forum have admitted that they "try" to "be their best" or "do their best" in an effort to "prove" that black people are "good." We are inherently the same as other people. It is idiotic to not believe this and it is ridiculous to believe that the whole society's viewpoint of black Americans on the whole will change just because little Jamal got a STEM degree and works for Apple. Individual achievements make no difference in the greater society's opinion of blacks.

Also, on the whole, I don't think most blacks "hate" white people. Black people are known to be extraordinarily capable of forgiveness, which is why so many were able to participate in non-violent demonstration and even proclaim "love" of their abusers. This trait is still very prevalent amongst blacks in this country. IMO it is a fallacy to even think that a large amount of black people "hate" whites.

I am black and don't hate whites. I would guess that you as a black person also don't hate whites. Hardly any of us "hate" whites.

I do hate the fact that we are viewed poorly and through negative lens because it is unnecessary and uncalled for. But not only whites view us negatively. Many black people, which is also exhibited on this forum and is even somewhat evident in the OP, view black Americans as negative or in need of "solutions" to specific problems that are not unique to being an American in general.

IMO the only change needed in "black culture" is to delete the idea that we need to obtain white people or general American society's approval of us. It is sickening if you really think about it. Too many of us down each other and seek to impress someone on how we are....basically.... a "good negro."

This can be seen even in your example where blacks go on and on about Empire perpetuating stereotypes yet whites have all kinds of sickening shows like Dexter and Sons of Anarchy and their crazy a$$ housewives and mob wives and such as well. Regardless of whether Empire is on TV or not, people will still view blacks with a stereotypical view. So it is not really contributing anything at all to the general society's view of us. Those so adamant against it and similar shows just want to put on a "good negro" show for whites and other Americans subconsciously.
Great post
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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Light skin/dark skin/colorism issues are the same as the system I am spoke of above. They are a by-product of this system and I do feel that this is a major issue that black people need to change in this country..
That is changing--for the worse. Today's Millennial-era colorism is a very different phenomenon from Boomer-era (and earlier) colorism.

Colorism fundamentally changed about this time last century because of the creation of the one-drop rule and anti-miscegenation laws. Those factors actually reduced the relevance of colorism as an overall American social factor because white America paid far less attention to black American skin tones--generally speaking, for better or for worse any visible hint of being negro was negro. Yes, being light-skinned opened some doors...but Lena Horne still had to pee in a cup when entertaining in white venues. She still didn't get to use the "white" restrooms.

But since the late 80s, America has been changing on that aspect, and being "biracial" (a term that would have had no social meaning at all in previous decades) began to be noted in the media and other places as a separate and superior "race" in itself.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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Forgot to mention that there is a "gangster" element in America in general. Every ethnic group has a gang culture. Black people are no different in this regard either and it is silly to think that our gang issues on the whole are more complex or pervasive than say, the Italian Mob, or Irish, or Koreans, or Chinese, or Mexicans, or Colombians, etc. Gangs that control large, complex criminal industries.

Gang membership and participation is on the decline for black people in this country and peaked in the early to mid 1990s so over 20 years ago. They are still around, but so are the others mentioned above. Gangs will always be around.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:40 AM
 
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That is changing--for the worse. Today's Millennial-era colorism is a very different phenomenon from Boomer-era (and earlier) colorism.

Colorism fundamentally changed about this time last century because of the creation of the one-drop rule and anti-miscegenation laws. Those factors actually reduced the relevance of colorism as an overall American social factor because white America paid far less attention to black American skin tones--generally speaking, for better or for worse any visible hint of being negro was negro. Yes, being light-skinned opened some doors...but Lena Horne still had to pee in a cup when entertaining in white venues. She still didn't get to use the "white" restrooms.

But since the late 80s, America has been changing on that aspect, and being "biracial" (a term that would have had no social meaning at all in previous decades) began to be noted in the media and other places as a separate and superior "race" in itself.
Are you black?

If not, you may not understand that I am speaking specifically of colorism within black America. It is still pervasive in black America that dark skinned people (especially women) are not as attracted as bi-racial/lighter skinned black women.

Hair texture, though also improving with the popularity of "natural hair" (I have been natural since 1998) is still seen as "bad" when it is more thick, course, or nappy versus a bi-racial person or a person who is "mixed" with something other than black.

These are just a couple and they and many others are highly pervasive ideas and social conditioning attitudes in black America.

And ETA: that I agree with your last assumption that bi-racials are seen as "superior" still, meaning that the less "mixed" one is with something non-black, then the prettier, better, or more superior you are.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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That is changing--for the worse. Today's Millennial-era colorism is a very different phenomenon from Boomer-era (and earlier) colorism.

Colorism fundamentally changed about this time last century because of the creation of the one-drop rule and anti-miscegenation laws. Those factors actually reduced the relevance of colorism as an overall American social factor because white America paid far less attention to black American skin tones--generally speaking, for better or for worse any visible hint of being negro was negro. Yes, being light-skinned opened some doors...but Lena Horne still had to pee in a cup when entertaining in white venues. She still didn't get to use the "white" restrooms.

But since the late 80s, America has been changing on that aspect, and being "biracial" (a term that would have had no social meaning at all in previous decades) began to be noted in the media and other places as a separate and superior "race" in itself.
In black community, people would hate on light skin or dark skin people or say you need to white as possible.

In entertainment industry , there is still a problem with representing of black people.

Some guy said to me once Black female cannot be cute .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_is_beautiful
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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I understand where you are coming from, but wanted to share that as a member of the black middle class, I don't feel stuck at all.

I recognize that our country was built upon a system which puts black people in all categories on the bottom, no matter indivdiual accomplishments or how vast the individual accomplishments are, this system will place negative traits and characteristics on us regardless of what we do in life (system is called white supremacy).

Due to me knowing and understanding this from both a social and historical perspective, it doesn't bother me at all or make me feel "less than" anyone else due to being a black person or having people try to put negative traits on me as a black person/woman.

Light skin/dark skin/colorism issues are the same as the system I am spoke of above. They are a by-product of this system and I do feel that this is a major issue that black people need to change in this country. I also feel that what I call the "inferiority complex" needs to be remedied, which means the idea that black people are less than or inferior to other ethnic groups in this country. This inferiority complex is heavily entrenched in black America and is the reason why many on this very forum have admitted that they "try" to "be their best" or "do their best" in an effort to "prove" that black people are "good." We are inherently the same as other people. It is idiotic to not believe this and it is ridiculous to believe that the whole society's viewpoint of black Americans on the whole will change just because little Jamal got a STEM degree and works for Apple. Individual achievements make no difference in the greater society's opinion of blacks.

Also, on the whole, I don't think most blacks "hate" white people. Black people are known to be extraordinarily capable of forgiveness, which is why so many were able to participate in non-violent demonstration and even proclaim "love" of their abusers. This trait is still very prevalent amongst blacks in this country. IMO it is a fallacy to even think that a large amount of black people "hate" whites.

I am black and don't hate whites. I would guess that you as a black person also don't hate whites. Hardly any of us "hate" whites.

I do hate the fact that we are viewed poorly and through negative lens because it is unnecessary and uncalled for. But not only whites view us negatively. Many black people, which is also exhibited on this forum and is even somewhat evident in the OP, view black Americans as negative or in need of "solutions" to specific problems that are not unique to being an American in general.

IMO the only change needed in "black culture" is to delete the idea that we need to obtain white people or general American society's approval of us. It is sickening if you really think about it. Too many of us down each other and seek to impress someone on how we are....basically.... a "good negro."

This can be seen even in your example where blacks go on and on about Empire perpetuating stereotypes yet whites have all kinds of sickening shows like Dexter and Sons of Anarchy and their crazy a$$ housewives and mob wives and such as well. Regardless of whether Empire is on TV or not, people will still view blacks with a stereotypical view. So it is not really contributing anything at all to the general society's view of us. Those so adamant against it and similar shows just want to put on a "good negro" show for whites and other Americans subconsciously.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. It is truly a shame that some individuals are unable to overcome their prejudicial and archaic thought processes. To judge someone on race (and skin tone, for that matter) alone is highly indicative of ignorance common when one takes an "us versus them" mentality and/or lacks the willpower to separate the individual from the associated stereotypes. Tribalism at its finest.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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So explain why these problem are mainly a black community issue and not across the board with other cultures
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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So explain why these problem are mainly a black community issue and not across the board with other cultures
What problems are mainly a black issue?

All the issues cited that are "black problems" are indeed American problems and affect all Americans of every demographic.

Making it a "black problem" is just a continuation of the idea that blacks are inferior to other Americans.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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So explain why these problem are mainly a black community issue and not across the board with other cultures
It is, but the race issue is coming up again due to Ferguson and such.

The thing is, white people don't defend their thugs. You'll very rarely hear a white person defending those who live in the local meth head trailer park. Decent white people have the same disdain for these losers as anyone else does.

There are plenty of politically correct white people and good, hardworking black people who insist on defending black criminals and their culture. They don't know better, they were raised poor, it's hard for black people, black people were once slaves, the rappers made them do it, blah blah blah.

Ya know, lots of trashy and thuggish whites were raised poor, or by parents who didn't teach them better, or had poor role models, etc. Yet, no one defends that, because there is really no excuse in today's world for not picking yourself up and trying to do better for yourself.
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