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Old 05-12-2015, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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"Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said this week that he intends to mount a fight against the reauthorization of the Patriot Act, the post-Sept. 11 law that gives the National Security Agency much of its authority to conduct surveillance programs.

"Im going to lead the charge in the next couple of weeks as the Patriot Act comes forward. We will be filibustering. We will be trying to stop it. We are not going to let them run over us, Paul told the New Hampshire Union Leader on Monday."

Rand Paul Plans To Filibuster Patriot Act

[via Infowars.com]

Why on earth do you think leftists like the Patriot Act???? It's Mitch McConnell who is leading the fight to reauthorize it. Do you really think he is a leftist?

 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:04 AM
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I suspect Rand Paul will attempt to modify the Act, not repeal it in its entirety.
Why do you think that?


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Why on earth do you think leftists like the Patriot Act???? It's Mitch McConnell who is leading the fight to reauthorize it. Do you really think he is a leftist?
Mitch is a neocon (aka leftist Repub., aka Rockefeller Repub.). Neoconservatism is "neo-" (i.e., 'new-,' 'improved-,' 'lefty anodyne-') for a reason: it is, on record, Trotskyism brought by Bill Kristol's father, Irving Kristol, into the U.S. via Mexico City in the 1950s.


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GOP has majority, so its more than uninformed to say he'd filibuster against Dems. He does it to keep Republicans from re-newing it. It was a GOP baby to begin with.
No actually it was a Joe Biden (D-DE) baby to begin with:

"Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. 'I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John [Justice Dept. AG last name asterisked by City-Data] sent up was my bill," he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as "the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism.'"

http://www.cnet.com/news/joe-bidens-...voting-record/

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Old 05-12-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No actually it was a Joe Biden (D-DE) baby to begin with:
If Joe Biden voted it through Congress in October 26, 2001 then you are correct. Since it is not correct, then you are only proving your ignorance about how the US government works.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:25 AM
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If Joe Biden voted it through Congress in October 26, 2001 then you are correct. Since it is not correct, then you are only proving your ignorance about how the US government works.
He voted it through Congress on October 25, 2001, 01:54 PM EST, when his vote was recorded:

U.S. Senate: Roll Call Vote
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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Progressive left? You know a number of liberals and people you would call progressive left agree with Paul.
I dont know any left wingers who support the patriot act
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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He voted it through Congress on October 25, 2001, 01:54 PM EST, when his vote was recorded:
OK, if you say Joe Biden created the Patriot Act then it must be so
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:34 AM
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He voted it through Congress on October 25, 2001, 01:54 PM EST, when his vote was recorded:

U.S. Senate: Roll Call Vote
I just don't think your description is correct. Then-Senator Biden voted "Yea", as did 97 other Senators (with one Nay and one not voting). While Mr. Biden voted for the Act, it cannot be described as 'voting it through Congress' as if he were solely responsible. Rather, he was in the majority of Senators that voted for the Act, with the House likewise voting for the Act, with the President then signing the Act into law.

I thought this a pretty good quick read of what is happening on the Hill:

?NSA surveillance reform in air as lawmakers threaten Patriot Act renewal filibuster ? RT USA

Note that a Democrat also said he would fillibuster, although that part is being ignored.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:40 AM
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I just don't think your description is correct. Then-Senator Biden voted "Yea", as did 97 other Senators (with one Nay and one not voting). While Mr. Biden voted for the Act, it cannot be described as 'voting it through Congress' as if he were solely responsible. Rather, he was in the majority of Senators that voted for the Act, with the House likewise voting for the Act, with the President then signing the Act into law.

I thought this a pretty good quick read of what is happening on the Hill:

?NSA surveillance reform in air as lawmakers threaten Patriot Act renewal filibuster ? RT USA

Note that a Democrat also said he would fillibuster, although that part is being ignored.
I never said he was the only one who voted it through. You have to follow the straw man argument in the posts immediately prior that Finn_Jarber put up.

First he s/he said it was a "GOP baby."

I corrected that assertion by pointing to a CNET link where Joe Biden takes credit for authoring what the U.S. AG "sent up."

Then Finn attempts to set up a different straw man by saying, "If Joe Biden voted it through Congress in October 26, 2001 then you are correct. Since it is not correct, then you are only proving your ignorance about how the US government works."

I responded by then showing how Biden even contributed to the vote for the legislation that he admits to authoring 6 years before (and repeatedly reintroducing (and failing to get passed until the false flag subsequent to the false flag in OKC)).

Now you're attempting to carry Finn's straw man argument even further and run with it.

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Old 05-12-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I dont know any left wingers who support the patriot act
The democrats renewed and expanded the patriot act just a handful of years ago.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The progressive left definitely has always been very opposed to the Patriot Act. To believe otherwise is swallowing another box of dry teabags, tags and all.
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