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Old 05-12-2015, 10:59 AM
 
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I think he is referring to the renewal that happened while Obama has been in office.
He was, figured I would include the earlier renewals for showing how unfortunately a plurality of both parties are choosing to shred the 4th amendment.

 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:59 AM
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If you think the onservative faction of the Democratic party is left wing then you dont know jack about politics
Name some individuals who you think represent the "conservative faction of the Democratic Party."

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Democratic party is not left wing.
http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Nancy_Pelosi.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm

Tell the board which of 416 issues for Feinstein and 300 issues for Pelosi that these 100%-grade NARAL and 100%-grade Brady Center Congresswomen are not left wing on.


70 years ago, the progressive left also tried to disown its Nat. Socialist German Workers Party too when progressives detected it lost favor in the public eye. They keep trying the same playbook when reputations go sour.

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Old 05-12-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The progressive left's comfort with USA PATRIOT Act comports with their same comfort with the militarization and federalization of police, and their giggling at concerns over domestic disruption by the unique Jade Helm.

Moreover the progressive left has no problem with TSA either:
https://www.google.com/search?q=tsa+...ed=0CAwQ_AUoAA
So basically just about everyone in Congress is the "progressive left" to you, well I give you credit for making life very simple for yourself.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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He was, figured I would include the earlier renewals for showing how unfortunately a plurality of both parties are choosing to shred the 4th amendment.
That I agree with, 9/11 gave this country and our government a major knee jerk that has created some damaging policies to our country.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:15 AM
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So basically just about everyone in Congress is the "progressive left" to you, well I give you credit for making life very simple for yourself.
15 U.S. Senators, among them Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, voted No on NDAA 2014. Most of those 15 were Republicans.

Where were yours?

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Old 05-12-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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GOP has majority, so its uninformed to say he'd filibuster against Dems. He does it to keep Republicans from re-newing it. It was a GOP baby to begin with.
Wrong. Joe Biden has always claimed credit for authorship of the PATRIOT ACT. The original passed 98-1 in the Senate, at a time when the Senate was pretty close to 50-50. The major proponents of reform now are Tea Party Republicans--Cruz, Paul, Lee. To characterize it as a "GOP baby to begin with" is partisan axe-grinding at its worst.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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Regarding Sections 203 (b) and 203 (d), I agree with information sharing. 9/11is a great example; the CIA had information they did not share with theFBI. Perhaps, 9/11 could have beenprevented or at least officials would have been more prepared. I can understand the point to not giveeveryone all information because it could leak out, but we are talking aboutterrorist attacks and in this case the FBI should have been informed
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Democratic party is not left wing.
Guess we are going with the no true Scotsman argument.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Wrong. Joe Biden has always claimed credit for authorship of the PATRIOT ACT. The original passed 98-1 in the Senate, at a time when the Senate was pretty close to 50-50. The major proponents of reform now are Tea Party Republicans--Cruz, Paul, Lee. To characterize it as a "GOP baby to begin with" is partisan axe-grinding at its worst.
The act was reauthorized again in 2005 with overwhelming GOP support (214 Republicans votes YES, and 43 Dems voted YES). 14 Republicans opposed it. 156 Dems opposed it.

LOL.

It is GOP baby. It's George Bush's baby. YOUR baby.

Own it!
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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15 U.S. Senators, among them Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, voted No on NDAA 2014. Most of those 15 were Republicans.

Where were yours?
33 Republicans all voted for it, which I guess that means they too are all "progressive left." Which if it wasn't for those 33, it wouldn't have passed. Though if you would have noticed, I am from Oregon, my Senators voted against it.
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