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Old 05-12-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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This is the kind of thing which really gets the U.S. in trouble in the region as it just wreaks of hypocrisy in the eyes of the general public within the Middle East region...Secret Tapes of the 2013 Egypt Coup Plot Pose a Problem for Obama - The Daily Beast

"Obama froze U.S. military aid to Egypt immediately after Morsi’s overthrow, but recently reversed course. In a March 31 telephone call, the president informed el-Sisi that the U.S. would be sending $47 million worth of F-16 fighter jets, Harpoon missiles, and other weaponry to Egypt, fortifying Egypt’s role as the second-largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid, behind Israel. Kerry heaped fulsome praise on el-Sisi during a March 13 visit to Egypt, asserting that the new Egyptian president “deserves enormous credit for working to improve the basic business climate in Egypt.”"

"Besides rigging the legal case against Morsi, the tapes describe the Egyptian military’s role in fomenting the street protests that el-Sisi used to justify Morsi’s removal—a revelation that undercuts the military’s assertion that it took power as part of a popular “revolution,” not a coup."

What this tells the Middle East public is that even if you take on beloved democracy, you do not truly have a right to vote in your own leadership. If the outcome of the vote is unfavorable or unwanted by the U.S. administration, your leaders will be removed via force (either via coup or direct engagement) and you will then be under the control of a hand-picked dictator.
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Old 05-12-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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This is the kind of thing which really gets the U.S. in trouble in the region as it just wreaks of hypocrisy in the eyes of the general public within the Middle East region...Secret Tapes of the 2013 Egypt Coup Plot Pose a Problem for Obama - The Daily Beast

"Obama froze U.S. military aid to Egypt immediately after Morsi’s overthrow, but recently reversed course. In a March 31 telephone call, the president informed el-Sisi that the U.S. would be sending $47 million worth of F-16 fighter jets, Harpoon missiles, and other weaponry to Egypt, fortifying Egypt’s role as the second-largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid, behind Israel. Kerry heaped fulsome praise on el-Sisi during a March 13 visit to Egypt, asserting that the new Egyptian president “deserves enormous credit for working to improve the basic business climate in Egypt.”"

"Besides rigging the legal case against Morsi, the tapes describe the Egyptian military’s role in fomenting the street protests that el-Sisi used to justify Morsi’s removal—a revelation that undercuts the military’s assertion that it took power as part of a popular “revolution,” not a coup."

What this tells the Middle East public is that even if you take on beloved democracy, you do not truly have a right to vote in your own leadership. If the outcome of the vote is unfavorable or unwanted by the U.S. administration, your leaders will be removed via force (either via coup or direct engagement) and you will then be under the control of a hand-picked dictator.
I would love to hear about some of the covert ops Hillary headed both in government and her charity. It amazes me how these people sleep at night.
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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Obama didn't freeze aid to Egypt. He stopped US private companies from delivering goods that were already bought and paid for by Egypt. The Morsi government had put the 1979 Treaty in jeopardy to the point where US interests would be lost per that Treaty and most likely if left alone would have probably led to a war with Israel.

btw $47M pays for about 1/2 of a F-16 base model.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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Obama didn't freeze aid to Egypt. He stopped US private companies from delivering goods that were already bought and paid for by Egypt. The Morsi government had put the 1979 Treaty in jeopardy to the point where US interests would be lost per that Treaty and most likely if left alone would have probably led to a war with Israel.
I don't know if that's accurate...Morsi Reassures Israel Sinai Operations Will Honor 1979 Peace Treaty

There was (and continues to be) significant terrorist activities coming out of the Sinai and from what is made public, Morsi wanted to quell this by deploying the military in to the region. I think his only qualm with the 79' treaty was the fact that he wasn't allowed to act freely in this regard.

With that said I highly doubt that he wanted to push for a war with Israel, at least not within his time in office. He had a slew of domestic policy issues, a military that wasn't fully on-board with his administration (obviously) and knew the practical implication of going to war with a fully western/US backed country is near suicide.
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I don't know if that's accurate...Morsi Reassures Israel Sinai Operations Will Honor 1979 Peace Treaty

There was (and continues to be) significant terrorist activities coming out of the Sinai and from what is made public, Morsi wanted to quell this by deploying the military in to the region. I think his only qualm with the 79' treaty was the fact that he wasn't allowed to act freely in this regard.

With that said I highly doubt that he wanted to push for a war with Israel, at least not within his time in office. He had a slew of domestic policy issues, a military that wasn't fully on-board with his administration (obviously) and knew the practical implication of going to war with a fully western/US backed country is near suicide.

Egypt’s natural gas pipeline had been sabotaged over a dozen times while Morsi was in power. The world media was told it was a business deal that had gone bad. The US wanted the Treaty to stay in place and advised Israel to say it was so. As to the military, Morsi was using Hamas Militia to attack the Egyptian military to place his own people in leadership positions. And as to terrorist activities in the Sinai, nearly all of Egypt's problems come from its border with Gaza. Not Israel and not Sudan.

Egypt is currently wiping Rafah off the map due to all armaments (that Hamas does not need) coming out of Gaza due to Hamas hurting for cash and rocket making materials. Egypt is trying to clean house and get back its economy.

Rocket Materials Smuggled to Gaza Nabbed at Border - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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Egypt’s natural gas pipeline had been sabotaged over a dozen times while Morsi was in power. The world media was told it was a business deal that had gone bad. The US wanted the Treaty to stay in place and advised Israel to say it was so. As to the military, Morsi was using Hamas Militia to attack the Egyptian military to place his own people in leadership positions. And as to terrorist activities in the Sinai, nearly all of Egypt's problems come from its border with Gaza. Not Israel and not Sudan.

Egypt is currently wiping Rafah off the map due to all armaments (that Hamas does not need) coming out of Gaza due to Hamas hurting for cash and rocket making materials. Egypt is trying to clean house and get back its economy.

Rocket Materials Smuggled to Gaza Nabbed at Border - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva
I see your perspective but I don't think Morsi was using Hamas to attack the Egyptian Military. In fact the primary terrorist group in the Sinai is Ansar Bait Al-Maqdis which considers the Muslim Brotherhood as apostates for participating in a democracy.

Also, Egypt's problems come from a *lot* of things. It's border with Gaza being a small portion of that. Most of Egypt's issues are domestic and have to do with an oppressive class structure, no middle class, lack of education, no form of truly representative Government, the list goes on...
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