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Old 05-14-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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No they are a cult (as are Mormons). They could call themselves whatever they want but they are against Christianity's true message.
And what, exactly, is "Christianity's true message"?
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Old 05-14-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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You've been excluding all sorts of self-professed Christians left and right, because they don't follow your version of Christianity. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Fundamentalists that follow the Old Testament as well as the New, anyone, actually that doesn't agree with you, you've declared to be not Christian. And then you try to up the percentages of those who profess to be Christians? Contradict yourself much?
Some people just need to feel as if they are among the elite. Excluding others from the group is really just about the only means by which they can achieve that end.
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Old 05-14-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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Jefferson was just one of the founding fathers. Indeed, he was Christian and had Christian background. At least he didn't use the Koran or the Talmud but took out quotes from Christ
Here's my favorite Jefferson quote. It's about the Trinity: "It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one and one is three, and yet one is not three and three are not one." Clearly, he must have been a cultist after all.
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Old 05-14-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Wikipedia as a valid source? .
Wikipedia itself might not be all that credible, but every article has multiple linked sources backing the information.

That being said, infighting between christian sects (especially Catholics vs...well, everyone else really.) is common knowledge. Again, one only has to take a look at Ireland as an example.
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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And what, exactly, is "Christianity's true message"?
Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity. In fact, Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” Mormons say they are Christians, but because they reject foundational truths from the God’s Word, they are not.

Joseph Smith, who referred to himself as “The Prophet,” founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the mid-1800s. He claimed to have seen a vision of God the Father and God the Son, in which they denounced modern Christianity and appointed Smith to reveal and restore “true” Christianity (Articles of Faith, p. 182–185). Three years later, Smith alleged that the angel Moroni told him about some golden plates on which the Book of Mormon was written. In spite of Smith’s questionable background and proclivity toward bending the truth (see The Origin, Rise, and Progress of Mormonism, New York, 1861; and Mormonism Unveiled, Painesville, Ohio, 1834), many believed Smith, and a new “religion” was born. Today, the members of the Mormon Church number in the millions.

The Book of Mormon is purported to be a new revelation, one that Mormons say is part of the new covenant to Israel and “another witness” to the truth of the Bible (History of the Church 4:461, 8th Article of Faith). Aside from the many theological conflicts with the Bible and historical and archeological fact, the writing of the Book of Mormon was shrouded in mystery and false claims. For example, Joseph Smith and his associates asserted that one Professor Charles Anthony of Columbia University verified the Egyptian characters on the golden plates. However, this same professor wrote a rebuttal letter soon after, saying that he never did any such thing and had, in fact, found the characters to be a hoax. In addition, many verses in the Mormon scriptures have been changed over the years, as the church leaders attempt to cover up something embarrassing in their past and to defend themselves against criticism. These facts alone are enough to cast much doubt on the veracity of the Book of Mormon.

One of the many areas in which Mormons fall short of saving faith is their belief that God is merely an exalted man who earned his position by good works (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). This directly contradicts the Bible, which states that God has existed in His position as God of the universe from eternity past (Revelation 1:8; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:15–16; Psalm 102:24–27). God was never a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9) and is the holy and powerful Creator of all things (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). Mormons also believe that they themselves can attain the status of gods in the afterlife through their works here on earth (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–354). However, no man can ever become like God (1 Samuel 2:2; Isaiah 43:10–11; 44:6; 45:21–22), despite what the serpent told Eve in the garden (Genesis 3:5).

Mormons also believe that Jesus was a god, but not God Himself (Mormon Doctrine, p. 547; Articles of Faith, p. 35; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372). It is essential to Christian faith that Jesus is one with God and that He is God’s only begotten Son who became flesh (John 1:1, 14; John 3:16). Only Jesus’ oneness with God would have allowed Him to live a sinless, blameless life (Hebrews 7:26). And only Jesus Christ was able to pay the price for our sins by His death on the cross (Romans 4:25; Acts 4:12).

Those who follow the Mormon faith also believe that they can attain heaven through works (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42–43; 2 Nephi 9:23–24; Alma 34:30–35; Articles of Faith, p.92). While they claim faith in Christ, they also rely on following the commandments of the Mormon Church (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p 188; Mormon Doctrine, p. 670) and practicing good works (2 Nephi 25:23; Alma 11:37) in order to achieve salvation. The Bible is very clear on this point, stating that good works can never earn the way to heaven (Romans 11:6; Ephesians 2:8–9; Titus 3:5) and that faith in Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation (John 10:9; 11:25; 14:6; Acts 4:12). Salvation by grace is incompatible with salvation by human works (Romans 11:6).

Sadly, many in the Mormon Church are unaware of the religion’s shady past, amended scriptures, and even the full doctrine of their church. Many Mormons who have discovered these things have left the church and come to a true saving faith in Jesus Christ. As Christians, we must treat Mormons with love and understand that they are among those deceived by Satan himself (1 Peter 5:8). Satan’s goal is to distort the truth, produce false assurance of salvation, and extend a deceptive hope of godhood (2 Corinthians 4:4).
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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What is the Biblical perspective on cut-and-paste without listing the source?
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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What is the Biblical perspective on cut-and-paste without listing the source?
Bible Questions Answered
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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You mean the Torah, the Jewish Bible? Doesn't apply to Christ' teachings and Christianity.
So, that's the Old Testament then. Does the Old Testament no longer count? If what's in it belongs to the Jews, it does not matter. But Jesus himself was a Jew. He himself said he was not here to abolish the old covenant.

But you're answer is common when it's convenient. But the six day creation is something Christians defend, which is of the Torah, and not of Christ's teachings... so really, if you personally agree with it, Jesus kept it, but if not, Jesus was actually against it.

And for the record, Jesus never abolished nor spoke against slavery. He may have said treat your slaves well, but he never said slavery was wrong. Same with Mohammad, actually.

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No they are a cult (as are Mormons). They could call themselves whatever they want but they are against Christianity's true message.
One religion calling the other a cult is amusing to me.
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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It's considered good form to put quotes in quotation marks and list sources, you know.
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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lets just be clear. there is no major movement within any group of Americans that want a "Chrisitian Government.

in fact there is no such thing.

those things are mutually exclusive.
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