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Old 05-14-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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Ok..so the Jews WEREN'T sinners?

And if you as a Gentile has no obligation to follow the Old Testament, why do Christians insist that Jews have an obligation to follow the New Testament?

And if you're not obligated to follow the Old Testament at all, why do you include it as part of your Bibles? Why not just chuck it and be done with it? Just leave it for the Jews to follow.
All humans were sinners except Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary. (Hebrew laws that were given to God's "chosen people" does not apply to Christians.) Keep in mind that Jews are no longer God's chosen people because they denied, killed and refused to accept Jesus Christ the Messiah.

Again, both OT and NT are part of the Bible but OT laws applies to Jews only. Jesus died for our sins and saved us from our sins.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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Keep in mind that Jews are no longer God's chosen people because they denied, killed and refused to accept Jesus Christ the Messiah.
There is some dispute on that point, I think.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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So then Jesus isn't God?

LMAO...notice how Jesus isn't God when the argument becomes inconvenient. Now it's all about the Trinity.
Jesus = God. If you deny that then you are not Christian.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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That's some impressive circular reasoning, there. "Bad people do not count as Christians. It follows that all Christians are good."
Bad Christians will be punished accordingly on the day of judgement.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:38 AM
 
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Jehovah Witnesses do not believe in the Holy Trinity. So that means they aren't Christians, right?
No they are a cult (as are Mormons). They could call themselves whatever they want but they are against Christianity's true message.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:38 AM
 
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All humans were sinners except Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary. (Hebrew laws that were given to God's "chosen people" does not apply to Christians.) Keep in mind that Jews are no longer God's chosen people because they denied, killed and refused to accept Jesus Christ the Messiah.

Again, both OT and NT are part of the Bible but OT laws applies to Jews only. Jesus died for our sins and saved us from our sins.
So the Ten Commandments only apply to Jews. They are, after all, from Exodus in the Old Testament.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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They love to forget about Christians massacring Muslims in Bosnia with the blessings of their respective churches.
Not true, Muslims murdered and slaughtered Christians back then and still today. Let's say that was true, did Jesus Christ command his followers to kill others? No. Nice try!
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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All humans were sinners except Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary. (Hebrew laws that were given to God's "chosen people" does not apply to Christians.) Keep in mind that Jews are no longer God's chosen people because they denied, killed and refused to accept Jesus Christ the Messiah.

Again, both OT and NT are part of the Bible but OT laws applies to Jews only. Jesus died for our sins and saved us from our sins.
What's wrong with the Jews killing Jesus? I thought the whole point is that he came here to die for our sins? So didn't the Jews do all of us a service by facilitating Jesus' death?

And if the Jews had accepted him, then would they THEN have been his chosen people to the exclusion of the rest of us?
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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So the Ten Commandments only apply to Jews. They are, after all, from Exodus in the Old Testament.
True. But 10 commandments could be followed by anyone regardless of religious background. I don't think anyone agrees with stealing and killing others.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:50 AM
 
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No they are a cult. They could call themselves whatever they want but they are against Christianity's true message.
Says.....YOU.

They believe they are Christians. They believe in Jesus Christ. They don't believe in the Trinity. But they worship the same God that you do. You believe in a Trinity. The Founders of Catholicism believed that they had to address the issue of monotheism, since they were struggling to establish themselves in a world dominated by polytheism. The Trinity, a concept that took centuries to develop, was a polytheistic concept that could be adapted to monotheism, if people were to accept the idea that there is just one god, but that god is personified by three distinct identities. A mystery. Jehovah Witnesses came to terms with that mystery by asserting that God, Jehovah, was supreme, and the son was secondary.

There are numerous issues and contradictions in Christianity, which various churches and denominations have struggled with. There are numerous divisions between denominations on certain issues.

You cannot be arbiter or judge of what is true and what is not. Only God can know what is true and what is not. Faith isn't the acceptance of belief, it's the acceptance of uncertainty.
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