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Old 05-15-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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How was Colin Powell "forced" to spew BS?
You are right, he was willing and active participant in the lies and distortions:

Lie After Lie After Lie: What Colin Powell Knew Ten Years Ago Today and What He Said*|*Jonathan Schwarz
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:25 PM
Status: "It is the nature of grotesque things you can’t look away" (set 28 days ago)
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Good CYA there Jebadia.
Actually, it is a pretty bad CYA. I'll bet the percentage of people who believe it is way up in the single digits.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:30 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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He went from "yes, I would have invaded" to "I don't know" to "no, I would not have invaded".

Evolving views.......

In hindsight, Jeb Bush acknowledges he wouldn

Jeb Bush on Thursday tried, finally, to exorcise the ghost of the Iraq war that has haunted him politically for most of the week. Speaking at a small brewery in Arizona, Bush said, “Knowing what we know now, I would have not engaged, I would not have gone into Iraq.”

Bush’s trouble began when anchor Megyn Kelly asked him the most obvious of questions about his brother’s scarred Iraq legacy: “Knowing what we know, would you have authorized the invasion?”


“I would have,” Bush said

Kelly pressed Bush on whether the war was a mistake, and he conceded the intelligence was “faulty.”

Bush said on the radio that afternoon that he had, in fact, misunderstood Kelly. But when host Sean Hannity asked it again, Bush said, “I don’t know.”
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The mainstream media’s latest brainwave is to ask GOP candidates whether they would have supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq “if you had known what we know now.”

This is appallingly stupid on five different levels.
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2) The whole point of the decision was that we didn’t know.

Here’s the really stupid part about it. We didn’t know then what we know now. Nobody did. And that’s the whole context in which the decision was made.

A major part of the justification for the war was the fact that we didn’t know for sure whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and we couldn’t know while Saddam Hussein was in power. He was evading UN inspections, filing giant reports of suspect validity, and meanwhile telling his own generals that the army had weapons of mass destruction. The reason, in hindsight, seems pretty clear: he wanted all of his neighbors, and presumably his internal enemies as well, to think that he had WMDs so they would be afraid of him. We weren’t going to get straight answers while he was still in power.

So the whole point of the question is: would you have invaded Iraq, if you had known information that we could only discover for certain by invading Iraq? It’s a nonsensical question that tells you nothing—absolutely nothing—about what a candidate would have done in the original moment.
The Hypothetical Iraq Question Everyone's Asking Is Stupid
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:30 PM
 
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and this is why jeb will likely not be president. this thread has devolved to old arguments about the iraq war, and those that supported the war will stand on what was said and why e went to war, and those that hated the war will constantly make the claim that bush lied, and of course forget that the democrats made teh exact same claims as much as two years before bush was elected using the same intelligence.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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Make no mistake, JEB Bush "John Ellis Bush" - was intentionally
named J.E.B. - short for JEBULON, pop that into a search engine.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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and this is why jeb will likely not be president. this thread has devolved to old arguments about the iraq war, and those that supported the war will stand on what was said and why e went to war, and those that hated the war will constantly make the claim that bush lied, and of course forget that the democrats made teh exact same claims as much as two years before bush was elected using the same intelligence.
Doesn't matter, the old claims were no excuse for invasion and occupation. Bush was pumped to invade Iraq after 9/11 - no matter what the excuse.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:38 PM
 
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Doesn't matter, the old claims were no excuse for invasion and occupation. Bush was pumped to invade Iraq after 9/11 - no matter what the excuse.
except that this thread is NOT ABOUT gw bush but rather jeb bush, yet the liberals are going to paint jeb with the same brush as his brother, and you are front and center with that stupiity.
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Old 05-15-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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to those who love war (the proponents of building the empire as Ron Paul puts it).

don't worry!!

IT does not matter who is "running" the next administration.

big multinational corporations will run the administration just as they have since world war II.

Look at all U.S administrations since WWII. every one of them has been involved in some armed conflict somewhere in the world.

There is no material difference between Hillary or Jeb Bush. They both pledge allegiance to Corporatist Party of America.

Their Strategy is the same: Maintain and Expand the Empire!!!
Their Tactics might be different. That is Hillary might drone bomb a country as Obama did.

Jet Bush, Rubio, ... might choose to Bomb them with Strategic bombers.
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Old 05-15-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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Great. Now I'm even MORE convinced that Jeb would've invaded.
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Old 05-15-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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He went from "yes, I would have invaded" to "I don't know" to "no, I would not have invaded".

Evolving views.......

In hindsight, Jeb Bush acknowledges he wouldn

Jeb Bush on Thursday tried, finally, to exorcise the ghost of the Iraq war that has haunted him politically for most of the week. Speaking at a small brewery in Arizona, Bush said, “Knowing what we know now, I would have not engaged, I would not have gone into Iraq.”

Bush’s trouble began when anchor Megyn Kelly asked him the most obvious of questions about his brother’s scarred Iraq legacy: “Knowing what we know, would you have authorized the invasion?”


“I would have,” Bush said

Kelly pressed Bush on whether the war was a mistake, and he conceded the intelligence was “faulty.”

Bush said on the radio that afternoon that he had, in fact, misunderstood Kelly. But when host Sean Hannity asked it again, Bush said, “I don’t know.”
Another phony corporatist with no convictions other than enriching Wall St. and getting elected.
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