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The Nat. Socialist German Workers Party was far left. Scribing that on the doorbell attracted like-minded socialist workers advocates to their function.
A right winger would no sooner want to be anywhere near anything with the words "Sozialisten" or "Arbeiter," than you would want to be affiliated with anything with the word "Tee-Partei."
Who exactly do you think you're fooling?
The socialist Obama--too--was suddeny declared "right wing" by his chagrined leftist followers after they discovered the public was turned off by him. (Doubtless taking a learning cue from their leftist political antecedents' conveniently declaring a National Socialist German Workers Party leader "right wing" by his embarrassed leftist followers after they discovered the public was turned off by him at Nuremberg.)
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions” -Adolph Hitler, 1927
It's not as if Hitler would have lied, or would have made comments designed to appeal to popular sentiment. Mussolini also started out claiming to be a "socialist", until he was expelled form The Italian Socialist Party. In short, these dictators need to be defined by their actions, not by their rhetorical statements.
In reality, aside form the use of the word "socialist", Nazism in Germany had nothing to do with socialism. Germany was a fascist state which depended heavily upon its allegiances with both capitalism and religion, and the class system was alive and well in German society under Hitler. Government collusion with private corporate entities and corrupt clergy are about as far as one can get from the tenets of socialism; and socialists seek to break-down, rather than build-up, the divisive class system.
It's always a given that the wing-nut right will try to connect Hitler with "the (dreaded) left". Of course, the great irony to this idiotic argument is that the first people who were eliminated by the German fascists were socialists, communists, and trade unionists--in other words: leftists.
And the Nazis were far right. But the response to that will be 'it's a different kind of right' or denial that Hitler's policy was conservative, which would be incorrect given historical context.
Same here. Anyone who thinks Democrats and say, Leninists, are exactly the same doesn't know what one of those two things are. Anything left of center is left, and anyone who paints all things left of center as the most extreme left is... not someone who I would want in a position of power (thats the nice way of putting what I'm actually thinking).
This is just a silly rant. No substance.
The National Socialist Workers Party was right wing? lol. No, actually Hitler was against the free market and wanted the central government to control everything, sound familiar? Hitler was a huge fan of Progressive ideology, which had recently come into vogue in the US at about the time he was taking power. The Progressive ideology was based on Eugenics, of eliminating the physical & mental defectives, Blacks, immigrants and general "undesirables". They had a virtual scientific consensus at that time which proved that Whites were superior & the poor and minority's reproduced too quickly. Charles Lindbergh was a leading Progressive and darling of the American progressive movement. As part of that he was also an avowed White supremacist. That's why Hitler brought him to Germany, to parade him around and show what true Aryans were capable of. Those US Progressives believed in forced sterilization for the poor, minorities and immigrants. In population control, just like Hitler did. That's why they founded Planned Parenthood and set it up in Harlem, to eliminate Blacks. Margaret Sanger the founder of PP lectured at Klan rallies and founded what she called "The Negro Project" which was geared at eliminating Black people. The Progressives also believed it would be better for society if Blacks, minority's and immigrants were not working as that would help weed them out & 'progress' society. It was one of the reasons they passed the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 which implemented the minimum wage in order to freeze minorities out of the work force. One of the leading Progressive Scientists and part of a virtual scientific consensus at that time was Madison Grant, who's 1916 book "The passing of the great race" was hugely successful in it's time, recounting the racial history of Europe and declaring the Nordic race (what Hitler called the Aryan race) as the most important. Hitler loved his Progressive writings so much that in a hand written letter to Grant he called "The passing of the great race" "My bible". None of this is conspiracy theory, this is all factual material, it's just that most Progressives are either so poorly educated that they're ignorant to the history of their own movement or so indoctrinated that they refuse to acknowledge it.
It's not as if Hitler would have lied, or would have made comments designed to appeal to popular sentiment. Mussolini also started out claiming to be a "socialist", until he was expelled form The Italian Socialist Party. In short, these dictators need to be defined by their actions, not by their rhetorical statements.
In reality, aside form the use of the word "socialist", Nazism in Germany had nothing to do with socialism. Germany was a fascist state which depended heavily upon its allegiances with both capitalism and religion, and the class system was alive and well in German society under Hitler. Government collusion with private corporate entities and corrupt clergy are about as far as one can get from the tenets of socialism; and socialists seek to break-down, rather than build-up, the divisive class system.
It's always a given that the wing-nut right will try to connect Hitler with "the (dreaded) left". Of course, the great irony to this idiotic argument is that the first people who were eliminated by the German fascists were socialists, communists, and trade unionists--in other words: leftists.
Unions were outlawed in the Polish People's Republic (remember Solidarność?) and the USSR and China too, because there is no further use for unions at the apex of communism.
I've already shown you that internecine rivalries between the left are routine (Oakland and NYC governments in your words even "eliminated" Occupy). The left historically turns on the left: Brezhnev tried to eliminate Mao, Shining Path tried to eliminate MRTA, UNITA tried to eliminate MPLA, Vietnam eliminated Democratic Kampuchea.
The editor of Italy's premier socialist newspaper Avanti! (Forward!) proved that fascism fits socialism like hand in glove.
You can futilely claim Hitler lied as much as you futilely claim Obama lied (both about their still undeniable leftist credentials), until you're blue in the face. (With Obama, todays' leftists have taken a page from their same ridiculous denial of Hitler.) You cannot evade that right wing conservatives simply don't associate with "Socialist" and "Workers" organizations, ever--but that progressive leftists do.
_"Hitler and the socialist dream"_
"He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx.' Socialists have always disowned him [after Nuremburg -mm4]. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger" http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...m-1186455.html
Same progressive leftist playbook as always: disown your movement's figurehead if his leftist politics and leftist warfare tendancies become unpopular with the masses. Attempt to brush the cooties onto an opposing organization.
Unions were outlawed in the Polish People's Republic (remember Solidarność?) and the USSR and China too, because there is no further use for unions at the apex of communism.
I've already shown you that internecine rivalries between the left are routine (Oakland and NYC governments in your words even "eliminated" Occupy). The left historically turns on the left: Brezhnev tried to eliminate Mao, Shining Path tried to eliminate MRTA, UNITA tried to eliminate MPLA, Vietnam eliminated Democratic Kampuchea.
The editor of Italy's premier socialist newspaper Avanti! (Forward!) proved that fascism fits socialism like hand in glove.
You can futilely claim Hitler lied as much as you futilely claim Obama lied (both about their still undeniable leftist credentials), until you're blue in the face. (With Obama, todays' leftists have taken a page from their same ridiculous denial of Hitler.) You cannot evade that right wing conservatives simply don't associate with "Socialist" and "Workers" organizations, ever--but that progressive leftists do.
Same progressive leftist playbook as always: disown your movement's figurehead if his leftist politics and leftist warfare tendancies become unpopular with the masses. Attempt to brush the cooties onto an opposing organization.
Hitler hated communism, it was just a populist ploy to gain power during a time of crisis. Just because a book comes out about Hitler loving socialism/communism, that doesn't erase history.
The National Socialist Workers Party was right wing? lol.
The party was socialist, but Hitler killed all the socialist once he gained power. It was simply a platform to gain power, which was quickly abandoned.
The party was socialist, but Hitler killed all the socialist once he gained power. It was simply a platform to gain power, which was quickly abandoned.
That's dumbest assertion made yet. If he did that then there would have been no progressive leftists remaining to fight his Socialist and Workers Party battles. Because you're fully aware that conservatives wouldn't be within 10 miles of a "Socialist" or "Workers Party" anything.
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Originally Posted by dv1033
Hitler hated communism, it was just a populist ploy to gain power during a time of crisis. Just because a book comes out about Hitler loving socialism/communism, that doesn't erase history.
Hitler was a socialist, and scribed "Socialist" and "Workers Party" on the function hall to attract fellow progressive leftists.
Conservatives right winger are repelled by anything with those words, and would no sooner join a Socialist and Workers Party movement than you would join a Tee-Partei one.
And you know that, so who exactly do you think you're fooling?
The chastened, embarrassed progressive left can deny that, after Nuremberg, all it wants, stamping its feet and huffing until it's blue in the face. It doesn't change that historically that's the progressive leftist playbook whenever the public sees the dark underbelly of socialism. The progressive left tried again by denying the patently leftist properties of the Obama admnistration too--simply because he's no longer popular with the American people.
That's dumbest assertion made yet. If he did that then there would have been no progressive leftists remaining to fight his Socialist and Workers Party battles. Because you're fully aware that conservatives wouldn't be within 10 miles of a "Socialist" or "Workers Party" anything.
Hitler was a socialist, and scribed "Socialist" and "Workers Party" on the function hall to attract fellow progressive leftists.
Conservatives right winger are repelled by anything with those words, and would no sooner join a Socialist and Workers Party movement than you would join a Tee-Partei one.
And you know that, so who exactly do you think you're fooling?
The chastened, embarrassed progressive left can deny that, after Nuremberg, all it wants, stamping its feet and huffing until it's blue in the face. It doesn't change that historically that's the progressive leftist playbook whenever the public sees the dark underbelly of socialism. The progressive left tried again by denying the patently leftist properties of the Obama admnistration too--simply because he's no longer popular with the American people.
MY MY, put the word Socialist in a title and some people automatically scream Left Winger, some are easily confused by words, maybe the word you should have focused on was Nationalist, since nationalism is normally a Right-Winger attribute. The truth of the matter is the Nazis had attributes that were both left and right in their nature and one can claim all they wish and claim the Nazis are an example of the other guys, they would be wrong no matter which side makes the accusation. If you want to still deny the truth I ask this which; US Political Party do most US Nazis align themselves with today? Do we need to say more or is this nonsense claim going to die for a while?
"National" means only nationwide. It's in car rental agency and insurance names. It's in the DNC's name.
The only people who are attracted to "Socialist" and "Workers Party" anything are the progressive left. If you try your darndest, you can't shake it.
(BTW, from the Soviet Officers' Handbook, Ukraine:
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If the progressive left is this bashful and chastened every time its movement's leaders embarrass them, maybe you should reconsider your political alignment.
Really, so only Liberals like programs such as Medicare and SS because they are socialist ideals, yeah right, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, just so you know it is not the truth.
Unions were outlawed in the Polish People's Republic (remember Solidarność?) and the USSR and China too, because there is no further use for unions at the apex of communism.
I've already shown you that internecine rivalries between the left are routine (Oakland and NYC governments in your words even "eliminated" Occupy). The left historically turns on the left: Brezhnev tried to eliminate Mao, Shining Path tried to eliminate MRTA, UNITA tried to eliminate MPLA, Vietnam eliminated Democratic Kampuchea.
The editor of Italy's premier socialist newspaper Avanti! (Forward!) proved that fascism fits socialism like hand in glove.
You can futilely claim Hitler lied as much as you futilely claim Obama lied (both about their still undeniable leftist credentials), until you're blue in the face. (With Obama, todays' leftists have taken a page from their same ridiculous denial of Hitler.) You cannot evade that right wing conservatives simply don't associate with "Socialist" and "Workers" organizations, ever--but that progressive leftists do.
Same progressive leftist playbook as always: disown your movement's figurehead if his leftist politics and leftist warfare tendancies become unpopular with the masses. Attempt to brush the cooties onto an opposing organization.
It would seem that for some folks, when incapable of constructing a rational argument, nothing works quite as well as the reductio ad Hitlerum
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