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Old 05-16-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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63% of Tuskegee students overall live in the dorms. Many are from out of state, some are from elsewhere in the state, not local to the university.
Tuskegee University in Tuskegee, AL - Find information about admissions, tuition, majors and campus life at Petersons.com
Nearly all Freshmen students live in the dorms.

First-year students living in college housing : 98.0%
All undergraduates living in college housing : 55.0%

https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/c...gee-university

Rather than post speculation and perpetuate ignorance, do research and document facts.
So where are the stats on how many work 2 or 3 jobs to pay for school because they are black and struggling more than all others? All first years are required to live in college dorms at most universities. My point, and you know it, was to express their commonality with all other college students in America.
We are more alike than we are different.

What I was implying is their parents contribute around 25% and they use scholarships and loans to help them like everyone else, some less, some more. The average college student will work 19 hours a week. Not 2 jobs by any stretch. They might work a part time job for fun money, expenses or even to pitch into their tuition during college but it's hardly two jobs worth. Where are her facts? I'm just a poster, she's the presidents wife. She should have her facts straight when giving a public speech.

Show me the stats supporting her assumption and then I'll believe you. I'll believe she wasn't assuming that just because they are black they have to work 2 or 3 jobs at a time to get through college unlike all others. If she was just stating facts then give me the facts.

If she was embellishing to serve her plight then it didn't work for me.

I'll let you do the work on google, and you can get back to me.

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Old 05-16-2015, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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She didn't say "constant" racism will hold them back. She told them what they would likely encounter (judging by the response she got, many already had experience with what she was talking about), and motivated them to rise above that, and not let it stop them from achieving their goals.

It's the ignorance and prejudice they will encounter, or have encountered, as they strive to move their careers forward that's maintaining a divide. All she did was describe it.

Thread is much ado about nothing. People looking for any excuse to criticize the Obamas.
That's really shallow. Struggles encompass a lot of things. Maybe she should have clarified that. Instead she lumped all of us in America, except blacks, into those people who will one day give blacks an added struggle. The majority of Americans are not racist, and do not try to hold blacks down. Sorry, I just don't buy it and it's insulting.

I recommend instead she get back to the White House and help her husband fix the real struggles we all share, the fact that the majority of Americans don't make a living wage. At 45,000 a year all Americans could use a break. We will all face struggles in the future, and I won't blame them on black people, I promise.

Our biggest challenge as a whole, including the majority in this country is financial not racial. I stand by my thoughts.

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Old 05-16-2015, 11:22 PM
 
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This woman is an American Marie Antoinette. Completely out of touch complaining about her experiences which are based less on any real slights and based more on a huge chip she carries around on her shoulder.
She grew up in a middle class household, went to an Ivy League college only the most elite people in this country could ever get in to and then made a multi-six figure salary that put her close to being a one percenter working for a hospital and now through marriage is in an elite position in this country and yet she subjects the people of this country , many of whom are suffering under her husband's ineffectual policies, to her insipid and bitter whining.
I watch less and less news than I used to because of hearing garbage like this from our leaders that speaks to absolutely nothing of the struggles most of us have to deal with everyday.
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Old 05-16-2015, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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Maybe your comments fit certain critics of Michelle Obama, but they don't apply to me. I rarely have anything bad to say about her, and generally I think most First Lady's should be off limits. I have only cringed when she makes comments like not being proud of her country and the like.
Frankly, when Michelle sticks to themes not involving race/gender, she comes across as likable. I also generally support her programs of nutrition & fitness.

Heck I think I have liked and supported every First Lady up until Hillary when she tried to come off as a feminist with her "not baking cookies" comment, then her attempt at socialized medicine. That goes back well before FOX came along.
So you are uncomfortable when she talks about race? That is something you need to work out in your head. To paraphrase Chris Rock, there is more pressure on black people to stop talking about race than there is on racists to stop being racist.

Is it really so hard to understand why a black woman in the US might not have been proud of the US?
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Inland Empire, Calif
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Anyone who doesn't think that speech was highly inappropriate and full of racism, and that both she and her husband are doing their best to divide the races, are living on another planet...
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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So you are uncomfortable when she talks about race? That is something you need to work out in your head. To paraphrase Chris Rock, there is more pressure on black people to stop talking about race than there is on racists to stop being racist.

Is it really so hard to understand why a black woman in the US might not have been proud of the US?
Maybe because way more black people talk about race then there are racists left in America. Proof being our latest president whom was voted into office by the majority of Americans is black. Sure, there are a few diehards left. There are as many old black guys who won't let their kids date white people. Doesn't make it right, nor does it represent the majority. The majority already spoke, and they said unitedly we are not a racist country.

If a black woman isn't proud of America then why is she in the White House for goodness sake. America's history is full of struggles, 1/2 none of us are proud of but we still manage to stand united as a country despite them. Can't we expect our first lady to do the same? Our military is mixed, they are all proud of our country.

I wasn't aware that Chris Rock was the authority on this topic either. I wouldn't take what he says as fact, he's a comic. I wish he'd stop it as well. It's not helping anyone. But, he isn't in the same position as Michelle.

Why do you people, including Mrs. Obama, have to take one step back after two forward steps for this country have been made?

It would have been easy for her to promote unity in her speech, encourage those kids to go forth into a new America where the struggles of divide have all but been closed but noooooooooo, she assumes thats what all black people want and like to hear. If that's the truth, then we will never get rid of prejudice will we? How can we when we pass it on to our youth?

No problems for me giving a brief history of struggle, but to promote fear on the basis of future racists attacks and struggles from the rest of us? I find that promotion, and think she should have left it out. She set herself apart with that speech, she's in the position she's in right now because we don't feel that way. Shame on her. It's insulting to us who voted for her husband.

Most of the country want to move on now, most of use are all mixed together racially including our president. Why not embrace a new America and move up, instead of warn others of divides that haven't even happened yet? OOOOOhhhhh, be careful of what's to come from all the white people. PLEAASSEE.

"Now go you happy kids, go out there and get jobs, put on that fake happy face, change your names and try to dodge the bullets of this racist country of ours like I always have to do, even at Target!! Go on now! "
Remember, you're not the help, you're the boss now!
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:13 AM
 
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So you are uncomfortable when she talks about race? That is something you need to work out in your head. To paraphrase Chris Rock, there is more pressure on black people to stop talking about race than there is on racists to stop being racist.

Is it really so hard to understand why a black woman in the US might not have been proud of the US?
Yes, much more so than feeling the need to inject race into a commencement speech. That is especially true of this day and age.

Everyone has it so much better now days, even the poor in this country. Our poor are rich by comparison to the worlds poor, having the taxpayers provide things other counties poor would kill to have. Granted our standard of living is higher, but the opportunity to get ahead is there, regardless of race or gender.
So for Michelle to say in 2008 she was proud for the first time in her adult life, it indicates a huge racial chip on her shoulder. To not be proud of a country that gave her parents the opportunities to raise her, and for her to go on to achieve what she did is frankly her boarding on being an ingrate.

As to feeling uncomfortable with people talking about race, it is never really a genuine talk. The liberals want you to agree with their positions, that all white people have privilege, and opposition to discriminatory programs like affirmative action means you are a racist. That is not a talk, it is a demand to knuckle under or face the consequences.
True discussions do not involve only PC approved thoughts, with any discussion against the liberal mantra being shouted down as racist/bigoted.

Michelle choose to inject race and forewarnings about future racism the graduates would face based on her own view. While she may be correct in some instances, we don't need young minds believing that if they falter, it likely will be because of race. The youth are already polarized enough with false narratives like "hands up, don't shoot". Do we want the First Lady helping to convince black youths that they should be looking for racial grievances if they do not get ahead?

As to the things she mentioned about people going to the other side of the street, or being watched in stores for fear of theft, that has happened to most people if they are paying attention. I'm a big guy, so if someone crosses to the other side of the road rather than walk past me, I don't assume it is because of my race. Yet a black with a racial chip on their shoulder might incorrectly assume that it is.
The difference is that she assumes it is based on being black. So what excuse would she give if she could see security in store and on cameras keeping an eye on white people they might suspect of shoplifting?

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Old 05-17-2015, 12:14 AM
 
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So far as we know, She has lived a life of privelidge, went to the best schools, never toiled in a factory, or in some minimum wage job. Pretty much handed to her everything she could hope for without really putting any kind of real commitment. Remember that cushy $300,000 a year job that was basically handed to her because her hubby was a senator?
I'm sure she put in a lot of effort and commitment. It isn't easy getting into Harvard for anyone, even if she got in because of the university's desire to widen enrollment for minorities. I'm sure they didn't just hand them out to any black student who applied. She had to work hard for that acceptance.

If memory serves, she seemed to have a pretty decent upbringing. I think I read that her father had a good job working for the city in some capacity, so she was middle class. People sure have said some nasty things about her since she got on that public stage. I've heard people call her fat, which she isn't. I've heard people complain about her campaign to end childhood obesity, which I cannot understand. What's wrong with the First Lady having a cause? Nancy Reagan had the Just Say No campaign, and Barbara Bush and Laura Bush both dedicated themselves to raising literacy rates.
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:23 AM
 
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It's interesting that OP's link cuts off right when she starts talking about how institutional barriers and experiencing isn't an excuse to give up. If you watch the rest of her speech, she transitions into a message of encouragement to band together and build up their own communities - basically make a place for themselves in the world without complaining. You know, the same message the the critics on this thread and so many others on CD accuse the "black community" of not doing. But let's focus on the 3 min segment instead because that was clearly the point of her entire 30 minute speech.
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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I'm sure she put in a lot of effort and commitment. It isn't easy getting into Harvard for anyone, even if she got in because of the university's desire to widen enrollment for minorities. I'm sure they didn't just hand them out to any black student who applied. She had to work hard for that acceptance.

If memory serves, she seemed to have a pretty decent upbringing. I think I read that her father had a good job working for the city in some capacity, so she was middle class. People sure have said some nasty things about her since she got on that public stage. I've heard people call her fat, which she isn't. I've heard people complain about her campaign to end childhood obesity, which I cannot understand. What's wrong with the First Lady having a cause? Nancy Reagan had the Just Say No campaign, and Barbara Bush and Laura Bush both dedicated themselves to raising literacy rates.
I've only heard most people say the causes you've mentioned where good. The only cause in question is helping the next generation realize they will have to dodge racists bullets throughout their careers in America because someone in Target asked her to grab something off a high shelf. Not because she was tall mind you, (whispers) because she was black. This never happens to white or hispanic people, at least she's never heard of it.
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