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Old 05-16-2015, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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To my conservative colleagues who think you can cut, cut, and cut some more to balance a budget, would ask you to compare Sam Brownback and Jerry Brown's methods and results.

Some states rake in revenue, others struggle


If it is only a spending problem, why is Kansas in the tank?

California's turnaround was because their Governor understands that income and spending both matter when balancing a state budget. All those tax and spend liberals have balanced their budget, while the tea partiers have proven to be phonies.
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:07 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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What has Jerry Brown done to turn around tech in California which has led to an increase in tax revenue?

It wasn't more than a few years ago Jerry was begging for a tax increase (which he got) not he is spending those dividends on buying more votes and rewarding the teachers union in the upcoming budget while we release prisoners and close courtrooms.
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:31 PM
 
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As a Republican I will admit the Brown has been the most fiscally conservative Gov since I moved here in 1996. Our tax rate structure is systemically designed to produce wild revenue swings. Yes, Brown did put a successful tax increase on the ballot, however, he has fought hard and sucessfully for restraint with some of the crazy spendaholic plans the legislature has put across his desk.
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Brown has spending at record levels, which does not constitute fiscal conservatism in my book, but still give him credit for resisting the calls from California liberals to spend even more.

California still has a lot of problems with unemployment at 43 out of 50 states, and still losing businesses to the great state of Texas.
Kubota to Relocate US Headquarters From California to Texas | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

There is much ruin in California, and it will continue to be a land of dreams no matter how badly Democrats mismanage it.
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:40 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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To my conservative colleagues who think you can cut, cut, and cut some more to balance a budget, would ask you to compare Sam Brownback and Jerry Brown's methods and results.

Some states rake in revenue, others struggle


If it is only a spending problem, why is Kansas in the tank?

California's turnaround was because their Governor understands that income and spending both matter when balancing a state budget. All those tax and spend liberals have balanced their budget, while the tea partiers have proven to be phonies.
You have no clue what you are talking about do you? CA has 38 million people, Kansas has TWO million. Thats A LOT more tax revenue going to the state isn't it? CA has a huge agriculture industry and its ports bring in goods to over 60% of the country, Kansas does not. CA has the 6th largest GDP in the world, Kansas isn't even a blip on the radar. Thats just the start. You could list things for days that are ridiculously expensive compared to Kansas that of course bring in more revenue for the state. Its apples to oranges
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:40 PM
 
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Was it that or the companies. I think the latter. Brown started much of the problem. More money to be made on growth than over taxing as always. Greece is a example where tax; borrow and spend leads to. Look at the overall growth and its states that have contained budgets all along. Conservative states.
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Jerry Brown grew up, that is why he is now a fiscal conservative. He became governor way too young his first time around, back in the Moonbeam days.
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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To my conservative colleagues who think you can cut, cut, and cut some more to balance a budget, would ask you to compare Sam Brownback and Jerry Brown's methods and results.

Some states rake in revenue, others struggle


If it is only a spending problem, why is Kansas in the tank?

California's turnaround was because their Governor understands that income and spending both matter when balancing a state budget. All those tax and spend liberals have balanced their budget, while the tea partiers have proven to be phonies.
Edmund P. Brown Jr. shares something in common with Pope Francis. Before he went into politics he studied in a Jesuit Seminary and might have become a member of the Jesuit Order. Jesuits are taught discipline, to live a simple frugal life and to care for others. I think Gov. Brown remembers the lessons he learned as a novice nearly 50 years ago.
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Old 05-17-2015, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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To my conservative colleagues who think you can cut, cut, and cut some more to balance a budget, would ask you to compare Sam Brownback and Jerry Brown's methods and results.

Some states rake in revenue, others struggle


If it is only a spending problem, why is Kansas in the tank?

California's turnaround was because their Governor understands that income and spending both matter when balancing a state budget. All those tax and spend liberals have balanced their budget, while the tea partiers have proven to be phonies.

Just compare the Democratic policies in Minnesota with the Republican policies in Wisconsin.

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A month after Mr. Walker’s inauguration in January 2011, he catapulted himself to the front ranks of national conservative leaders with attacks on the collective bargaining rights of Civil Service unions and sharp reductions in taxes and spending. Once Mr. Dayton teamed up with a Democratic Legislature in 2012, Minnesota adopted some of the most progressive policies in the country.

Minnesota raised taxes by $2.1 billion, the largest increase in recent state history. Democrats introduced the fourth highest income tax bracket in the country and targeted the top 1 percent of earners to pay 62 percent of the new taxes, according to the Department of Revenue.

Which side of the experiment — the new right or modern progressivism — has been most effective in increasing jobs and improving business opportunities, not to mention living conditions?
Right vs. Left In The Midwest - NYT
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Old 05-17-2015, 11:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Just compare the Democratic policies in Minnesota with the Republican policies in Wisconsin.



Right vs. Left In The Midwest - NYT

With anything so complex as governments and their effect on economies, things do not happen overnight. Heck.... weeks, months and years. But the unintended consequences happen, whether they be good or bad.

What happens under the first part of anyone's office, when outing the incumbent, is the effect the incumbent had on the economy.
Some take over a roaring economy. Some take over an escalating economy, coming from the bottom, some from the middle of an up tick. Some take over as they are on the way downward.

The outgoing incumbents have much to do with what the new guy, or gal gets to see right off the bat.
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