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As attractive and as long term a good this might be, assuming government funding was affordable to the taxpayer, what gives the federal government the right to dictate to state and private colleges what they charge? Where in the constitution does it give the federal government the right to do do?
This is a thread about Swedish vs American students I see and not about affordable college options.
Anybody can get a relatively low cost but good education in the U.S. As usual they just don't want it. They want the big campus parties. No, Harvard won't be free anytime soon.
This is a misleading thread, you CAN get the same here. If you want a fancy school to keep up with the "Joneses" anywhere it won't be free. But, you can get a low cost but good education if you want it.
Harvard can be free to needs based merit scholars. Don't get me wrong, you have to be the best of the best of the best of the best to do so AND have financial limitations but it is possible.
About the community college vs the first two years of school at university, it can be a good idea but as I mentioned, schools do have a tendency to try and encourage students that they truly need remedial, math or English. That gives the schools an additional two courses on top of the generally accepted path towards transferring to get. Sure you can "money ball" them too whether it AP or other college level senior year courses or going through an accredited firm but these credits have to be accepted too. I know, I've transfered schools and know that even good credits A-C may not be accepted beyond state lines.
The same way that university is extremely cheap or free in Western Europe (except the UK)
The same way that Western Europe, bar the UK, funds their higher education
College tuition is among the cheapest, if not the cheapest, in the developed world in Germany. Their unemployment rate is under 5%. Stop being such a narrow-minded, think-inside-the-box American
That all sounds just Ducky - you do know that they use a system called "streaming" that picks out who kids go on a University track and which kids go on a Vocational track somewhere between the 4th-6th grades .... right? These Socialist countries want Value for their "free tuition" - they get Value by controlling every aspect of it, including exactly what you study.
Even if you managed to get into the University track - testing, interviews determine what degree program you will be allowed to study. Even after you graduate, you don't get a "degree", you get a certificate of completion (course they allow you take) and then you go again through State Test to see if you qualify.
It's a long, but comprehensive program that begins when you are a young child - little choice by the students. I really don't think that will suit most Americans. Feel good social engineering programs are NOT a part of ANY curriculum. No dorms, no school lunches, no real choice about much and there is no such thing as the "College Experience" and "Party Time". Lots and Lots of serious study and serious course work. My kids would have done just fine with theiris kind of program, it's exactly what they did on their own, with our guidance ..... it's certainly not the norm in the USA.
How dare you to ask the liberal to work? Why do you hate the poor? You have compassion? No morality? You are a racist!!!
She is one thing and one thing only but I would get in trouble for saying it so. Its the mentality like yours that is the problem of America. You think poor people,liberals etc don't work....its quite pathetic....I have learned as a FORMER GOP member that GOP thinks they are ALWAYS right and they are like a child you take a piece of candy from if you prove them wrong....the same old dead beating a horse arguments that have been disproved over and over and over....but hey yall keep running the country into the ground....like another thread said the GOP is dying.... The democrats can as well for all I care. Bernie is an independent he owes nothing to anyone but the people of America. Why don't you show me how bad off Germany is for doing the free college thing please...it's where I will push ALL of my kids to go to unless they get some kind of scholarships to afford it. Just a little secret for you American hating folks....and that's exactly what you are. THE WORLD IS RIGHT. WE ARE WRONG. Get over it.Accept it.Fix it.
Because college isn't a good choice for everyone. And making it free will create excessive demand and consumption.
It will cause too many graduates with unemployable degrees, massive increases in enrollment, and more commodity education (300 kids in each class),
People who hate school are not going to go to college just because it is free. In addition not all schools have open enrollment, so the same amount of college ready/suitable people will be going. I don't mind people paying tuition, but it should be caped to only $500-$1,000.
Yes, definitely this should happen, but I will add that subsidized tuition should be
accompanied by job placement assistance, mandated by law.
The government must enact laws to force corporations to hire according to their
profitability scale.
70% of high school graduates attend college today - the highest in history. I think it might be too many.
I am simply not interested in putting more kids into college when they don't have the drive and academic ability to make the most of it. I do not think we need ANY international studies, literature, art, dance, etc. graduates for at least ten years. These people graduate and do unskilled work that could be done without spending $100,000 or more to educate them. The few highly motivated and passionate religious studies graduates will find work in their field and benefit from that degree.
Seventy percent attend...only 30% are graduated. Think about that for a while.
Perhaps if students would get a job in addition to going to school and learn how to budget their time and income they would be getting along much better.
Why can't these students do what many other college students before them did? Pay their own way without loans and grants?
Many others had full time jobs and went to school as well and still got good grades and graduated with honors.
Too many students rely on others to take care of them because they just cannot handle doing more than one thing at a time. It's too stressful for them.......wah
Oh please. When I attended college it was 2400/yr, which was very affordable for one to work during the summer and attend school without amassing large amounts of debt in loans. Not so much the case today. Do you really expect an 18 yo kid to work for 7/hr AND pay cash for school which averages somewhere around 20K /yr? Please, oh wise one, show us the way. God forbid we look at what European countries do RiGHT and implement it here, this is 'Murica after all.
As attractive and as long term a good this might be, assuming government funding was affordable to the taxpayer, what gives the federal government the right to dictate to state and private colleges what they charge? Where in the constitution does it give the federal government the right to do do?[/quote]
You are playing semantics. Free means free at point of service. Free university would only cost about $60 billion a year. It is affordable. The economy spends more in student loans.
Why isn't everything free? Can't we just transfer money into an account for each person allowing them to buy whatever they want?
Isn't that fair?
(That would be sarcasm, FYI)
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Originally Posted by moionfire
You are playing semantics. Free means free at point of service. Free university would only cost about $60 billion a year. It is affordable. The economy spends more in student loans.
If it's so affordable, you and the millions of others who think just like you can get together and fund it.
Why are you always wanting others to pay when nothing stops all of you from doing it yourselves?
Crazy liberal, "This is necessary, so we should pay for it, as long as it's not actually me that's paying for it."
Set up your own liberal scholarships that you liberals pay for that is only for those who think like you so there won't be any conservative "sponging" off of it.
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The democrats can as well for all I care. Bernie is an independent he owes nothing to anyone but the people of America. Why don't you show me how bad off Germany is for doing the free college thing please...it's where I will push ALL of my kids to go to unless they get some kind of scholarships to afford it. Just a little secret for you American hating folks....and that's exactly what you are. THE WORLD IS RIGHT. WE ARE WRONG. Get over it.Accept it.Fix it.
