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Old 05-18-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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Colleges are not selling 'education' - they're selling CREDENTIALS.
You can learn any way, any time, any place, but without those credentials, that education won't comply with Labor laws, etc., etc.

If you want to drive down the cost for credentials, let government offer credentials - by - examination.
That would kill off the monopoly that accredited institutions rely on.
And that is why kids cheat. They're not stupid--they realize that the degrees themselves are not offering necessary information directly related to vocational preparation...all they need is the paper. So cheating is totally logical.

Now, there will be the argument that a bachelor degree should not be considered a vocational preparation. I agree with that.

Back in the early 70s when I told my mother I was going to major in Journalism, she said, "That's wonderful, son. But what are you going to do to earn a living?"

She was ultimately right: I got that Journalism degree (with minors in Poli Sci and Philosophy). I highly value my college education. But I'm earning my living right now by the IT certificates I got much later.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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I believe undergraduate degree should be free of charge for all students just like K - 12 in public schools. However, students must do good in high school to qualify. Public colleges should not be for profit!
Then get the millions of others who feel the same, and y'all can start funding it.

What law prevents you from doing so?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:06 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Oh please. When I attended college it was 2400/yr, which was very affordable for one to work during the summer and attend school without amassing large amounts of debt in loans. Not so much the case today. Do you really expect an 18 yo kid to work for 7/hr AND pay cash for school which averages somewhere around 20K /yr? Please, oh wise one, show us the way. God forbid we look at what European countries do RiGHT and implement them here.
If a student lives at home paying for school while attending is still very reasonable. State school here in California is roughly 10k a year without housing.

I did it 10 years ago, my wife did it 15 years ago, and my wife did it again 6 years ago while getting her master's degree. All the above was done without accumulating debt and the MPA was done while living independently. It is all about your priorities.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:09 PM
 
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The bottom line is that corporations must be forced to hire by law
or they will continue to exploit the population for the benefit of the very few.
What is the role of commerce in society ? Is the role of commerce to fund
fat cats living in castles and offshore mansions ? What is the role and proper
function of commerce to benefit the many instead of the few ?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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That all sounds just Ducky - you do know that they use a system called "streaming" that picks out who kids go on a University track and which kids go on a Vocational track somewhere between the 4th-6th grades .... right? These Socialist countries want Value for their "free tuition" - they get Value by controlling every aspect of it, including exactly what you study.

Even if you managed to get into the University track - testing, interviews determine what degree program you will be allowed to study. Even after you graduate, you don't get a "degree", you get a certificate of completion (course they allow you take) and then you go again through State Test to see if you qualify.

It's a long, but comprehensive program that begins when you are a young child - little choice by the students. I really don't think that will suit most Americans. Feel good social engineering programs are NOT a part of ANY curriculum. No dorms, no school lunches, no real choice about much and there is no such thing as the "College Experience" and "Party Time". Lots and Lots of serious study and serious course work. My kids would have done just fine with theiris kind of program, it's exactly what they did on their own, with our guidance ..... it's certainly not the norm in the USA.

Education in Germany
Germans rather like regimentation, but it doesn't take that much regimentation. Pretty nearly every American kid already knows by the end of the 9th grade whether he or she wants to go into a field that's going to take another decade of scholarship. The majority don't want that--and know they don't. Nor does society need it.

But most high schools don't counsel anything else and few offer robust preparation for anything else.

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Old 05-18-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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The bottom line is that corporations must be forced to hire by law
We live in a global market, they'll just go overseas and that will be the end of it.

I assume you haven't thought this through.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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We live in a global market, they'll just go overseas and that will be the end of it.

I assume you haven't thought this through.
Then let them GO overseas !!! They can be prohibited from doing business
in the US, and new American businesses can prosper !!!
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:15 PM
 
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The bottom line is that corporations must be forced to hire by law
or they will continue to exploit the population for the benefit of the very few.
What is the role of commerce in society ? Is the role of commerce to fund
fat cats living in castles and offshore mansions ? What is the role and proper
function of commerce to benefit the many instead of the few ?
You don't really think anyone is going to take you seriously do you?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You can't tax without printing money. The fed injects currency into banks without taxation. Federal taxes are only enforced to curb inflation.
ROFLMAO.

They are called LOANS. And the banks pay them back with interest I might add.

Were you absent the day they taught how the Fed works ?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Default If We Put an End to Corporate Welfare, College Tuition Could Be Free

If We Put an End to Corporate Welfare, College Tuition Could Be Free - attn:

That won't happen. Republicans will make sure of it. Not only do we give welfare to corporations that go overseas but then they find every single loophole to cheat on their taxes!
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