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Old 05-18-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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I won't deny it's been exploited yet Congress has done NOTHING to change the law.
And these laws go back decades so both Dems and Repubs had the chance to change them but they didn't.

The anger is misdirected at corporations. They don't make the law,
No, but they sure spend a lot of money lobbying and making campaign contributions. But of course they do so out of the goodness of their hearts and their belief in the American political system. They have no expectation whatsoever of getting favorable legislation from their efforts. Nope. No way...
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Brought to you by the TEA Party.
Are you saying corporate welfare started in 2007 ?

Boy do you need to do some reading.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No, but they sure spend a lot of money lobbying and making campaign contributions. But of course they do so out of the goodness of their hearts and their belief in the American political system. They have no expectation whatsoever of getting favorable legislation from their efforts. Nope. No way...
Remember Obama was going to throw all the lobbyists out of DC when he got elected ?

He did do that in a roundabout way though...he HIRED them to work for him directly

Obviously that broken campaign promise didn't hurt him as he got re-elected.
Almost all Congress critters that voted for TARP in October got re-elected in November.

People don't care enough to vote in change.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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This is being discussed in a couple other threads. Why do you feel you are special and need your own?
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes, definitely this should happen, but I will add that subsidized tuition should be
accompanied by job placement assistance, mandated by law.
The government must enact laws to force corporations to hire according to their
profitability scale.
Why not just skip all those "government mandates" and go right to proposing communism.
Nationalize all business and then everyone can work for the government with cushy benefits and pay
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Why not just skip all those "government mandates" and go right to proposing communism.
Nationalize all business and then everyone can work for the government with cushy benefits and pay
And no toilet paper available in the stores. We could become Venezuela in 10 short years!
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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This is being discussed in a couple other threads. Why do you feel you are special and need your own?
OFA is paying it to post this topic.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And no toilet paper available in the stores. We could become Venezuela in 10 short years!
This is the US. I give it 5 years.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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That is not technically true.
It's 100% absolutely true, down to the last iota.

They can influence, they can write and even send along for consideration, and they can bribe all the live long day, but a law is made when it passes the House of Representatives, is then passed by the Senate and then finally signed into law by the President. The President can veto a bill that can still become a law if the House and Senate override with 2/3 majorities in each chamber.

That's how a law is made. Corporations TECHNICALLY have nothing to do with it minus influence. But Apple is not on any committees, they cannot call for a vote, offer amendments on the floor, openly debate, etc etc etc. They can sell indulgence and *****/thief politicians who sell their legislative wares can parrot those things Apple wants said or vote how Apple wants them to vote, but that is not by design or even a flaw...it's simply criminal quid pro quo.

It works like this, murder is not legal simply because some people still commit the crime. And selling a vote on legislation to the highest bidder is not legal even if every scumbag in the House and Senate does it every day.

But this is classic "blame the match for the fire, not the one who struck it" logic employed by partisans of either party who try to make the hookers on their side of the whorehouse look virtuous.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes it is true. Corporations don't vote in the Senate or House. In the end, it's a politician who makes the decision to sell out. No corporation can force a senator to vote a certain way. That senator has the final choice. If he/she CHOOSES to do what is in their best interest by voting the way a corporation wants, it was still the politicians CHOICE in the end.

If you want corporations to stop influencing politicians, stop voting for those politicians.
You are aware corporations have a lot more influence when it comes to laws that are passed for them, some cases a corporation can basically be asked to write a law for Congress. Then lets not forget that it is easy to get a Congress person to vote how the corporation would like them to vote. All it requires is plenty of campaign contributions and a nice promise of a high paying job when they leave Congress.

You ever wonder where those politicians go when they leave office? Typically to a nice paying job at one of those corporations that they voted to aid.

So yes, corporations do have a lot of say in how laws effect them go.
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