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Old 05-18-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Austin Texas
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And you will win that bet. But here's the thing: for once, there is a politician who is thinking about what we can do to improve the lives and well-being of working people in the country instead of the welfare of the defense industry and the corporate executives. A politician committed to educating our youth rather than handing out our hard earned taxes to foreign countries and domestic donors. Sanders may be off in the weeds a bit, but he is a breath of fresh air after decades of being choked by the smoke from the "big cigars".
70% of high school graduates attend college today - the highest in history. I think it might be too many.

I am simply not interested in putting more kids into college when they don't have the drive and academic ability to make the most of it. I do not think we need ANY international studies, literature, art, dance, etc. graduates for at least ten years. These people graduate and do unskilled work that could be done without spending $100,000 or more to educate them. The few highly motivated and passionate religious studies graduates will find work in their field and benefit from that degree.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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I believe undergraduate degree should be free of charge for all students just like K - 12 in public schools. However, students must do good in high school to qualify. Public colleges should not be for profit!
. Why do you think that public colleges are profitable?
. How many students should go to college, how hard should it be to qualify?
. Should degrees in Chicana Studies be paid for by the public?
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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You mean reality, where a better educated populace would make us more competitive and prosperous? that one?

Or the horrors of an idea where we would give more people a "hand up instead of a "hand out"....isn't that what people like you say we should be doing? And now that someone suggests doing it.....suddenly its a bad thing.

Got it.
Oh the horrors of people who refuse to learn then want to blame everyone else. Somehow they think, just like that welfare check, that knowledge can be infused into their brain.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Here
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Let's give everyone free cars and houses too. It'll be swell.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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. Why do you think that public colleges are profitable?
Because they keep raising the cost every year. Cut the salary of those who make more than $100K/year!

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How many students should go to college, how hard should it be to qualify?
Many bright students skip college due to expensive or in fear of not getting a job fast. Well, GPA of 2.5/2.75 or so in order to qualify for free college.

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Should degrees in Chicana Studies be paid for by the public?
Those degrees should be gone from the college list.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Colleges are not selling 'education' - they're selling CREDENTIALS.
You can learn any way, any time, any place, but without those credentials, that education won't comply with Labor laws, etc., etc.

If you want to drive down the cost for credentials, let government offer credentials - by - examination.
That would kill off the monopoly that accredited institutions rely on.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:10 AM
 
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Let's give everyone free cars and houses too. It'll be swell.
Nobody was proposing or asking that. Perhaps if students were debt-free they could afford putting those money for cars or house down payment.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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In many European and other 1st world countries, college education is free just like K - 12. Students may need to pay for their own housing and textbooks though. In America, college cost is among the most expensive in the world, and the cost keep raising every year it seems like. Our students and young people today are struggling with huge loan debts when there is no guarantee of finding any jobs in this economy, and many even low-paying jobs; indeed, students who find jobs right after college still must pay their huge debts, or their parents' which isn't easy. Yes, community college is more affordable, and there are "scholarships" and "financial aid" out there, but still not enough and you could talk of tens of thousands of student loans after graduating despite all of this "free" money. Going to college is very expensive, and shouldn't be! Now those who chose to attend private college is different, and graduate school should be charged. Yes, I understand college isn't for everyone and surprisingly despite college being free of charge in many other nations, not all students decide to attend college or pick "crappy" majors.

I believe undergraduate degree should be free of charge for all students just like K - 12 in public schools. However, students must do good in high school to qualify. Public colleges should not be for profit!
Since this is America things are done differently than in other countries.
If you do not like the way America does things don't live in America.
Go to one of the other countries that are so much better.
Don't forget to turn the lights out and lock the door when you leave.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:14 AM
 
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Nobody was proposing or asking that. Perhaps if students were debt-free they could afford putting those money for cars or house down payment.

Perhaps if students would get a job in addition to going to school and learn how to budget their time and income they would be getting along much better.
Why can't these students do what many other college students before them did? Pay their own way without loans and grants?
Many others had full time jobs and went to school as well and still got good grades and graduated with honors.
Too many students rely on others to take care of them because they just cannot handle doing more than one thing at a time. It's too stressful for them.......wah
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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Perhaps if students would get a job in addition to going to school and learn how to budget their time and income they would be getting along much better.
Why can't these students do what many other college students before them did? Pay their own way without loans and grants?
Many others had full time jobs and went to school as well and still got good grades and graduated with honors.
Too many students rely on others to take care of them because they just cannot handle doing more than one thing at a time. It's too stressful for them.......wah
Actually many students do work and go to college at the same time but still cannot keep up with the student loans and college cost. Minimum wages are very low as well. Remember college is like full-time work too...
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