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Old 05-18-2015, 10:36 AM
 
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NAFTA aligns completely with Neocon policies and goals. Clinton was not a Neocon on paper but he did everything in their interests.

Sad how some would rather blame whole groups of Americans, than recognize that our manufacturing base has been wiped out and we have waged the longest and costliest war in American history where these jobs once were. I won't even get into discriminatory housing and lending policies over the decades, and the harm inflicted on those who are forced to live in these areas.

Historian Says Don't 'Sanitize' How Our Government Created Ghettos : NPR

A lot of hatred is being revealed here...
Oh, so now liberals are backtracking on their slobbering love affair with All Things Clinton?

Interesting.
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Old 05-18-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. Bill Clinton gave China Most Favored Nation status and made permanent normal trade relations with China.

Bill Clinton created that "giant sucking sound" that Ross Perot warned us about. Manufacturing jobs left this country in droves.

Bill Clinton is not a "neocon."

Your post is intellectually dishonest.
Bill Clinton made a huge mistake when he believed the Republicans were doing what was best for Americans when they sent him NAFTA to be signed.
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Old 05-18-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Oh, so now liberals are backtracking on their slobbering love affair with All Things Clinton?™

Interesting.
Sheesh-it's hard to have a conversation with someone that only wants to put someone in a neatly labeled box.

I am no fan of Clinton-or ANY President in my lifetime. They have ALL been Puppets, awful for America.
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Old 05-18-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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Ghettos have been around for centuries. I think its often drug related violence and its said murder is the leading cause of death among young blacks males. IMO; it takes individual effort to get out of such situations not collective as always.
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Old 05-18-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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"Sadly, Baltimore is not alone. There are whole chunks of cities across the country that have been abandoned and left to rot by globalists/Neocon policies." Really?Where did you come up with that?

Baltimore

Population is 68 % black



police department is 68 % black


fire department is 58% black;


school district is 86% black


school teachers are 72% black;


city council is 90% black;


Mayor is a black;


chief of police is black;


54% of population is on welfare;

and they believe the whites are


the reason they are living in poverty




Some just CAN'T face reality and want to blame others!
So what's your point.
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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Bill Clinton made a huge mistake when he believed the Republicans were doing what was best for Americans when they sent him NAFTA to be signed.
He had the option to veto it and didn't do it.
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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Sheesh-it's hard to have a conversation with someone that only wants to put someone in a neatly labeled box.

I am no fan of Clinton-or ANY President in my lifetime. They have ALL been Puppets, awful for America.
As the presumptive Democratic nominee, does Hillary Clinton have your vote? Yes or No.

We know the answer. Whether you are truthful or not is another matter.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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He had the option to veto it and didn't do it.
Yes he did, that is why I said his biggest mistake was believing the Republicans that NAFTA was good for the country. It turns out the bill they sent to Clinton was not good for Americans, but it was good for corporations.

I wonder what your opinion about NAFTA would have been if the first Bush had signed it like he was planning on doing if he had won reelection?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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As the presumptive Democratic nominee, does Hillary Clinton have your vote? Yes or No.

We know the answer. Whether you are truthful or not is another matter.
HELL no. And I am not a registered Democrat, I am Independent.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Yes he did, that is why I said his biggest mistake was believing the Republicans that NAFTA was good for the country. It turns out the bill they sent to Clinton was not good for Americans, but it was good for corporations.

I wonder what your opinion about NAFTA would have been if the first Bush had signed it like he was planning on doing if he had won reelection?
I was a Ross Perot supporter. Everyone with a brain knew he was right when he said that a "giant sucking sound" will be heard as US manufacturing moves south to Mexico. Therefore, my position on NAFTA would have been the same no matter who signed it.

But let's not cloud the issue. Bush could have signed NAFTA...and perhaps he would have if given the opportunity to sign a final bill. The fact of the matter is that Bill Clinton was the anti-Bush/anti-Reagan....a new direction for America....a disposal of the old Cold War era and an ushering in of a New America. Your continued hypothesis that NAFTA was a creation of the GOP, while not wrong overall, completely ignores the fact that the NEW American president continued with the status quo, and that falls 100% on Bill Clinton's shoulders. That's what separation of powers embodies.....Congress passes legislation and the President chooses whether to sign it into law. Clinton made that choice.....the blame rests 100% with him.
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