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Care to say how many Radical Islams there are around the world... and why don't you just call them
religious extremist nuts.
Doesn't matter which side we want to be on, we shouldn't take our hard earned tax dollars to fight religious wars/civil wars abroad - period. Nor sacrificing our young men and women of our military, which is a given.
It's not a regional issue, it may me taking place mostly in one region right now but it won't stay there for long.
BURDELL makes an excellent point. We do not have ANY allies, including Israel, in that region. They are ALL our enemies and will stay so as long as fundamental Islam exists.
LOL. I think we will be ready for them when they come. Honestly, have you ever been in the US Armed Forces? Ever been in combat? Can you begin to get your head around the military ability of the US? You really think ISIS is going to be a match for the US? Did you miss the news about the raid this weekend - a few dozen dead islamists and no US wounded or killed. You war mongers sounding false alarms are truly crazy.
I'm a US veteran who spent time in Iraq, the "ability of the US" has nothing to do with my opinions. ISIS doesn't have to match the US military if they keep recruiting civilians to attack and kill civilians.
The reports I heard this AM had the Iraqi Army fleeing the fight, we owe them nothing.
If we haven't yet learned the sheer folly of attempting to fight others' battles when they won't fight for themselves we deserve a special Nobel Prize for Insanity.
I also heard the Shiite militia is getting ready to take it back.
Shia militias are assembling east of the Iraqi city of Ramadi to prepare for a counter-attack against Islamic State militants who captured it on Sunday.
Iraqi state TV described tanks and other military vehicles entering al-Habbaniyah military camp
Another thought.......Iraqi's have thousands of years of history of assigning priority to tribal affiliation over and above basic human rights.....how about we just let them continue unabated until they finally reduce themselves to scattered nomads all scratching in the desert for whatever they need to get them through another day.
There hasn't been "Iraqis" for thousands of years though, in part though that's the problem, the Brits divided up a bunch of various cultures into borders of their own creation. The Kurds should've had their own state to begin with(though that would anger Turkey) and historically there's enough reason to divide up the north and south of Iraq into different states. Though even Europe was fighting each other over national borders both internally and externally until relatively recently. As for Iraq it'd be like if pieces of Poland and the Czech Republic and Slovakia were carved into one artificial state with no real defined history after World War II. Eventually that's going to fall apart.
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My fantasy would be to erect a 30 foot wall around the entire region, (Saudi Arabia and Kuwait included) forget the oil underneath them and refuse to provide the infrastructure maintenance/parts/technology to enable all further pumping and let them go at it with their ancient tribal and Royal nonsense until it's down to the two worst of them still standing duking it out with dull swords, televise the battle with Jimmy The Greek odds making and then walk in to start rebuilding from scratch and pumping their (now our) oil.
Yes, yes, they're all animals right?(That's about par for the course of the level of discussion on this forum). The fact is though that there's plenty of people in the region who'd love to see peace and prosperity in the region--but what's happening now is basically for the fact that there's no hegemon in the region and every political ideology in the last fifty years has sort of failed--colonialism replaced the Ottoman Empire's organization, Baathism and Arab nationalism tried to replace colonialism and ended up with dictatorships and one-party rule and all that was left was religion and tribal affiliations. Perhaps in the long-run a dictator like Sisi is going to be the easist short-term solution--though in the end every dictatorship will come to a messy end--and the aftershocks usually end up like a prison riot.
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As I consider Islam to be an enemy of all rational people I do not have any problem with them killing each other. It will get really interesting when these crazies start to attack Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf Emirates. ISIS is a criminal organization and the Saudis and the Emirs are where the money is concentrated it is nearly certain that they will become an ISIS target.
Isn't it comforting to know that our saviour now has boots on the ground in Syria
I don't have a savior.
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That's about on par with watching a person getting beat to death, crying for help. Nobody helps because it isn't affecting them. WE took the same stance when England was getting thrashed for nearly three years before Japan forced us into the war.
Sometimes prevention is the best policy. I know it takes a little forward thinking, but things could get really bad, really fast, at the rate ISIS is growing. It was our exodus from Iraq that created the vacuum, making us responsible for ISIS in the first place.
I was fine with kicking the Taliban's asses, but when we invaded Iraq... I became a Libertarian. I saw it for what it was; finishing what daddy wanted in the first place.
If SoDamn Insane had been left to his rule, ISIS wouldn't exist and Iran would be in check.
WE had no business in Libya either. Now we're in Syria. Do our politicians have a clue?
I wasn't fine with kicking the Taliban's ass at all. The Taliban never attacked this country. And we certainly have no shot at running them out of Afghanistan. And to the extent we did manage to push the Taliban around was largely because the Iranians helped us.
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It's only a fight between Shiites and the Sunnis until one group succeeds in killing the other then the winner will just pick a new target. This isn't a regional issue, this is a Radial Islam vs. the rest of the world issue and unfortunately there are a whole lot more Muslims in the "Radical Islam" category than most people are willing to admit or even think about.
They may or may not pick a new target....but i'll err on the same side that you do. Sure, they'll pick a new target.
And we should cross that bridge when we come to it. But there's no need to get involved in Iraq right now. There's no national interest for doing so.
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CNN just reported it fell to isis....
My understanding is that it has fallen, but i'm also getting some mixed reports as to the veracity of that proclamation. I really don't know how anyone could know at this point. Probably gonna be a few days before we know for sure.
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Glad you agree with me.
If we as a country don't have the right stuff to get the job done then don't sign the contract to do it.
It's not about having the "right stuff." Not to me. Even if we did have the right stuff to do it doesn't mean that we SHOULD do it. In fact, it should make you far MORE reluctant to do it.
We meddled in Egypt and look at it today.
We meddled in Iraq and look at it today.
We meddled in Libya and look at it today.
We meddle in Afghanistan and look at it today.
If creating a destabilized country to continue the perpetual "war on terror" then we have been successful.
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