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Old 05-18-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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Why?

Question: did any of you lose anything in Ramadi (except dead soldiers and wasted tax dollars) that you want our military to go over there and retrieve? Because I can't think of anything at the moment.


If Iraq's Ramadi falls, U.S. will help Baghdad take it back later: Pentagon
If Iraq's Ramadi falls, U.S. will help Baghdad take it back later: Pentagon
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:06 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The reports I heard this AM had the Iraqi Army fleeing the fight, we owe them nothing.

If we haven't yet learned the sheer folly of attempting to fight others' battles when they won't fight for themselves we deserve a special Nobel Prize for Insanity.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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Ramadi is home to the largest Sunni tribe in Iraq, which had previously opposed Shiite rule in Baghdad. It's hard to say that it's actually fallen to an insurgency when it's been home to the insurgents all along.

"But Sunni tribes in the Ramadi region eager to fight Daesh also complained that they have never received promised government weapons and that the government seems to be afraid to arm them."
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Aside from genocide I cannot think of a way of stopping these mobsters. Our decapitation policy is at best a stopgap as ISIS is not a hierarchal organization. Chopping off the heads of this gang only creates more heads that become ever more barbaric. The real solution is to simply kill all of them.

I do not think anything significant will be done by the Arab nations until the Saudi Royal Family and/or the oil billionaires in the Emirates are attacked. Then the Arab armies will suddenly develop a backbone and the slaughter will change targets.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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Here's a thought, let that country take care of its own.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:27 AM
 
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Ramadi is home to the largest Sunni tribe in Iraq, which had previously opposed Shiite rule in Baghdad. It's hard to say that it's actually fallen to an insurgency when it's been home to the insurgents all along.

"But Sunni tribes in the Ramadi region eager to fight Daesh also complained that they have never received promised government weapons and that the government seems to be afraid to arm them."
Yeah...I was thinking the same thing: isn't that a Sunni hotbed anyway? So what's the big deal?
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:29 AM
 
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Aside from genocide I cannot think of a way of stopping these mobsters. Our decapitation policy is at best a stopgap as ISIS is not a hierarchal organization. Chopping off the heads of this gang only creates more heads that become ever more barbaric. The real solution is to simply kill all of them.

I do not think anything significant will be done by the Arab nations until the Saudi Royal Family and/or the oil billionaires in the Emirates are attacked. Then the Arab armies will suddenly develop a backbone and the slaughter will change targets.
Hell, I don't even know who these "heads" are!

Seems to me that ISIS can easily melt back into the population should we go over there and try to put a stop to their activities.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:31 AM
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Aside from genocide I cannot think of a way of stopping these mobsters. Our decapitation policy is at best a stopgap as ISIS is not a hierarchal organization. Chopping off the heads of this gang only creates more heads that become ever more barbaric. The real solution is to simply kill all of them.

I do not think anything significant will be done by the Arab nations until the Saudi Royal Family and/or the oil billionaires in the Emirates are attacked. Then the Arab armies will suddenly develop a backbone and the slaughter will change targets.
I concur with you on this ^^^...
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ramadi is home to the largest Sunni tribe in Iraq, which had previously opposed Shiite rule in Baghdad. It's hard to say that it's actually fallen to an insurgency when it's been home to the insurgents all along.

"But Sunni tribes in the Ramadi region eager to fight Daesh also complained that they have never received promised government weapons and that the government seems to be afraid to arm them."
I don't know where that quote came from but once again a larger Iraqi force ran from ISIS, they left behind armored vehicles and other military ordinance. They are not worth the investment because they either don't have the courage or conviction to defend their city.

I always wondered why the "mother of all wars" was over in a week, now I know.

So if the US got involved in Ramadi then what. Where the heck is Turkey, they promised support months ago and where is Jordan other than their fly over for show.

What does it take for these people to get angry.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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Hell, I don't even know who these "heads" are!

Seems to me that ISIS can easily melt back into the population should we go over there and try to put a stop to their activities.
This. They *want* to pull the US in to a ground war, fighting an enemy we don't know and can't see, whom pops up and attacks not only in Iraq but other areas throughout the ME. Do you think they really go and behead people on camera for the sheer thrill or to get their message out? No...it's to enrage and inspire a response, these people aren't stupid.

A lot of folks here need to read up on the basics of guerilla warfare before commenting.
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