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That is very understated. He's taken a bad situation and made it much worse and most of those decisions were based on politics. He's boxed himself in becsue going back and sending troops into Iraq is not going to be popular by any means.
My prediction is he will continue to allow this situation to fester and it may rollover to the next President. Action will not occur until we have another 9/11 event which I see as inevitable.
Anyone who is not a partisan hack knows that the war was pushed on us, promoted and voted on by both sides of the aisle.
I recall JFK being blamed for Vietnam he was the leader, I don't recall this nuanced approach where congress shares equal responsibility for his mistakes. It's getting a little old now but administrations make these decisions and they need to take the blame, without JFK or Bush we would never have gone to war.
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I recall JFK being blamed for Vietnam he was the leader, I don't recall this nuanced approach where congress shares equal responsibility for his mistakes. It's getting a little old now but administrations make these decisions and they need to take the blame, without JFK or Bush we would never have gone to war.
Uh, it was Eisenhower who first sent advisors to Vietnam and LBJ who sent the first combat troops.
It's always the President's responsibility for carrying out warfare, as that office is assigned Commander-in-Chief responsibility. Congress only votes permission for the money and continued use of the military resources.
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It's always the President's responsibility for carrying out warfare, as that office is assigned Commander-in-Chief responsibility. Congress only votes permission for the money and continued use of the military resources.
Personally, I'd like to see the way we go to war changed. I'd like to see a Constitutional Amendment barring the deployment of combat troops anywhere for longer than 6 months without a Declaration of War being voted by Congress. I'm damn tired of undeclared wars that waste so much blood and $$$, let the proponents of the MIC sign their names to the orders.
You know what I find interesting. That our media talks about the middle east ALL the time.
That our Congress votes to allow money to go over there ALL the time.
The American people vote in people that want to be over there ALL the time.
That includes both DEM & REPUB presidents.
Anyone who is not a partisan hack knows that the war was pushed on us, promoted and voted on by both sides of the aisle.
That push was far from equal. I enjoy reading the partisan posts from those twisting themselves into pretzels trying to shift the blame from Dubya and Chicken Dick Cheney, who ran a months long campaign of disinformation to manufacture support for their precious oil war. Which they promptly mismanaged into an unwinnable quagmire that ultimately resulted in ISIS and made Iran the predominant power in the Persian Gulf.
That push was far from equal. I enjoy reading the partisan posts from those twisting themselves into pretzels trying to shift the blame from Dubya and Chicken Dick Cheney, who ran a months long campaign of disinformation to manufacture support for their precious oil war. Which they promptly mismanaged into an unwinnable quagmire that ultimately resulted in ISIS and made Iran the predominant power in the Persian Gulf.
House Vote:
Pub: 215 yay 6 nay
Dem: 82 yay 126 nay
Senate Vote:
Pub: 48 yay 1 nay
Dem: 29 yay 21 nay
Summary:
Pub: 263 for, 7 against
Dem: 111 for, 147 against
Seems significant enough though, enough that the DEM party should not infer they are the
anti war party. Because they are NOT.
Uh, it was Eisenhower who first sent advisors to Vietnam and LBJ who sent the first combat troops.
Yes Eisenhower first sent advisors but our military expanded greatly under JFK and Johnson, the point is that they were responsible.
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