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Old 05-22-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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Because clearly, giving huge tax breaks to corporations that continue to screw over workers and export jobs overseas has been working so brilliantly, right?
Absolutely not but at least now we are getting to the actual problem.

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In the minds of the regressive radical right, it's NEVER time for the working class a raise.
You started off good, stay focused.

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If the economy is bad: "We can't give workers a raise because it will stall recovery!"
Its bad but the problem is those that have argued that the solution is pumping trillions into Wall Street.

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If the economy is good: "We can't give workers a raise because it will cause an economic downturn!"
See the earlier discussion on North Dakota. No government forced them into paying high wages. A booming economy did.

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The only trickle down that the working class has experienced is a warm yellow trickle while the top 1% get wealthier and wealthier.
And we are back. Yes the idea that the government could pump trillions into the markets and everyone would benefit has been an absolute failure.

 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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$15/h is not a high-skill wage
High skill?

Maybe not but it's not an entry level wage either.

And it's definitely not a wage that a pimply face kid with no skills who spends more time texting and playing with his phone than he does working should be making.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:01 AM
 
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High skill?

Maybe not but it's not an entry level wage either.

And it's definitely not a wage that a pimply face kid with no skills who spends more time texting and playing with his phone than he does working should be making.
$15/h is an OK wage for starters. No worker text/play on his phone while at work, and if they do the door is there ------------------------------------------->
 
Old 05-22-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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I'm not about to argue that the other side of the equation where only the poor and middle class gets screwed is any better.
Please explain how the poor and the middle class get screwed.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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Please explain how the poor and the middle class get screwed.
How many times does this have to be done? Do we have a record wage gap right now or not?

Its not because business is booming and creating new jobs and new products.

Do you have the Fed paying you interest on money they are handing to you?

Why not? Why should others?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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All my friends who moan about the minimum wage the most are also the cheapest people I know. They complain that minimum wage needs to be raised to $15, $20, or whatever, but then when they order a delivery pizza, they pay a $1 tip or none at all, and claim that it's already factored in to the "delivery fee". I tell them, aren't you the one who insists people be paid more for their work?

"Well, that's different," is usually what it boils down to.

For the record, I'm what the liberals here would call a "right winger" and pay the delivery man a minimum of $5 on the occasion that I do order such a service. Just a personal observation, but the people who complain most seem to be the biggest cheapskates/hypocrites.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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Again, for the thousandth time: it's not the employers don't want to pay more; it's the position or work performed isn't worth that much.
They will never get that concept. You can't sell something for $5 when the labor and supplies cost you $6. If you raise your price to pay more for labor and all the foreign competitions products cost $5, most people are going to buy from the foreign supplier and you will go out of business.

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$15/h is an OK wage for starters. No worker text/play on his phone while at work, and if they do the door is there ------------------------------------------->
Why not $50 an hour?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 02:26 PM
 
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Because clearly, giving huge tax breaks to corporations that continue to screw over workers and export jobs overseas has been working so brilliantly, right?

In the minds of the regressive radical right, it's NEVER time for the working class a raise.

If the economy is bad: "We can't give workers a raise because it will stall recovery!"

If the economy is good: "We can't give workers a raise because it will cause an economic downturn!"

The only trickle down that the working class has experienced is a warm yellow trickle while the top 1% get wealthier and wealthier.
Actually, let me make a correction. The employers would love to pay more but we, the people, don't. When I say, we, the people, that include you and me. None of us want to pay more for the goods and services.

Think this way, if we all pay $50 for a burger, wouldn't the fast food restaurants be happy to pay their employers a whole lot more?

So don't blame on the employers, blame yourself for being so cheap and selfish!
 
Old 05-22-2015, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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They will never get that concept. You can't sell something for $5 when the labor and supplies cost you $6. If you raise your price to pay more for labor and all the foreign competitions products cost $5, most people are going to buy from the foreign supplier and you will go out of business.



Why not $50 an hour?
Why not $1.00/hr?

See how stupid arguing in absolutes is?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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Why not $1.00/hr?

See how stupid arguing in absolutes is?
What's wrong with $1/hour?

If the employee wants to do the job for $1/hour, why would that be wrong? Plenty people volunteer at $0/hour. Should we force the employers to pay them then?
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