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Old 05-28-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Love it when Forbes interprets what NASA stated, why not juts provide a link to the NASA website to support the claim.
They cannot do that, as NASA says the opposite of what they claim.

 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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That is not possible.... Your link is to a lying opinion piece by James Taylor a well known denier, not NASA.

What NASA actually says.....All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase. Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence
"Denier" is a politically oriented term that alarmists constantly use in an effort to be manipulative, and to stifle discussion and the expression of dissenting views on this topic.

The term “denier” is what people who have denied the holocaust are commonly referred to – as in “holocaust deniers”. By using this term, the AGW alarmists are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.

So these are the tactics that the left has devolved to here.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Call the White House and make that suggestion.

Keep us posted.

Oh, so I guess you are suggesting he is too stupid to understand the implications himself?

It must suck getting boxed in to having to admit that he either doesn't believe in climate change or is a total hypocrite displaying that the government doesn't care about anything about it other than collecting more tax revenue.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
"Denier" is a politically oriented term that alarmists constantly use in an effort to be manipulative, and to stifle discussion and the expression of dissenting views on this topic.

The term “denier” is what people who have denied the holocaust are commonly referred to – as in “holocaust deniers”. By using this term, the AGW alarmists are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.

So these are the tactics that the left has devolved to here.
Not at all. There are folks that deny all kinds of science, from vaccines to evolution... What else do you call people who deny observable facts and lie about them?

Learn the difference between skeptics and deniers, and ask yourself where you fit.

Climate Skeptics go on to admit that it is both rare and significant when nearly 100% of the scientists in any field share a consensus-model, before splitting up to fight over sub-models. Hence, if an outsider perceives "something wrong" with a core scientific model, the humble and justified response of that curious outsider should be to ask "what mistake am I making?" before assuming 100% of the experts are wrong.

By contrast, Climate Denialists glom onto an anecdotal "gotcha!" from a dogma-driven radio show or politically biased blog site, whereupon they conclude that all of the atmospheric scientists must be in on some wretched conspiracy. Uniformly. At the same time.
- See more at: Climate Skeptics v. Climate Deniers
 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Oh, so I guess you are suggesting he is too stupid to understand the implications himself?
That's your silly hyperpartisan statement. To be expected from an Obamaphobe.

And that's no guess.

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It must suck getting boxed in to having to admit that he either doesn't believe in climate change or is a total hypocrite displaying that the government doesn't care about anything about it other than collecting more tax revenue.
What must really suck is spending all your waking hours whining about a president who's doing a much better job than his predecessor.

Heck, maybe he haunts your dreams, for all I know.

It's a nightmare for the radical right.

 
Old 05-28-2015, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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You shouldn't argue against something you don't understand
I would heed my own sage.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Oh good, they are on it protecting us from things like Acid Rain like they did in the 70's and 80's!

Acid Precipitation Act of 1980, United States

All I can say is thank goodness they acted because the science was all in and settled.... if we didn't do something and spend a lot of money (always follow the money) all trees in Pennsylvania, Vermont and New Hampshire would die!

Acid Precipitation Act of 1980, United States

The Brief Reign Of Acid Rain: The Original “Hide The Decline”



With enviro-fraudsters always follow the money and look for the lies.

Anyone else here old enough to remember the acid rain hysteria especially from the 1970's? You know, the time when the science around acid rain was all decided and anyone who said not true was labeled a denier?

Acid rain was supposed to eat away at all buildings, bridges and statues causing them to fall into disrepair and ruination. Call me Rip Van Winkle as I missed it all.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Acid rain was supposed to eat away at all buildings, bridges and statues causing them to fall into disrepair and ruination. Call me Rip Van Winkle as I missed it all.
You aren't looking then.... Google acid rain damage, and click images.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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What about the people who log onto a NASA or NOAA web site and see data that shows there has been no net increase in global surface temps for 17-19 years, and NASA - Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat?

give it up already, you science deniers are losing the argument against the facts.
So why link to what a paid propaganda merchant (James Taylor) for the Heartland Institute wrote in a conservative business mag like Forbes says and not directly to the NASA or NOAA websites?

Afraid you might see the REAL facts instead of the science denying propaganda you posted?
 
Old 05-28-2015, 11:52 PM
 
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Exactly! Look at this graph, the earth's climate has been fluctuating wildly for 10,000 years. If anything, by looking at the average temperatures over the past 10,000 years, our current climate is abnormally cool.

But for obvious reasons, the global warming enthusiasts want everyone to believe that temps are supposed to remain flat, that the earth's climate does not fluctuate at all, and we should still be living in the Little Ice-Age.
It's a FAKE graph from a conspiracy website. The "2000" label is false.

The Greenland GISP2 ice-core data from the study done by Prof Richard Alley ended in 1855. What happened in the last 160 years and the rest of the world?

Do you have a problem with not doing any fact-checking first before you post DISinformation and lies?

Why not try to find the real graph and the original study?
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