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I'm glad when someone such as yourself understands what I meant.
So many things are happening under our noses that bear no resemblance to
the "news" that is being reported in the mainstream media.
It has been true for decades, and is not going to change.
All the nefarious changes of the last 100 years happened under
the noses of Americans. JFK warned us.
Of course, however it is truly unreachable that a PROPER understanding of history
will ever be comprehended by enough people to change anything. Consider that
the "basics" of American hi-STORY, especially that since the Civil War has been
taught, "understood", and it DID ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD whatsoever. Zero.
We are in this position, which it seems most still do not understand today because
of the backward-looking wishy-hopey patriotism which has been exploited.
Americans have always known their history, but that didn't stop the loss of our
country over the last 100 years at all. Things are much worse than people are aware of.
Today is becoming too late. We are losing the ability to do anything at all.
Sounds like you've got it all figured out. America needs to be the one nation that ignores its past, only then can we truly compete with the ancient nations of China, Russia, Germany, Brazil, etc.
You are showing absolutely zero understanding of history or political science. Please answer the following honestly: What is the greatest threat to America right now?
The illuminati
The Bilderburgers
The UN
The secret cabal of businessmen twirling mustaches and laughing in smoke filled rooms
Exactly,and it makes me want to hurl when our leaders boast how great American is,while ignoring all the violations of human rights and international law,and all the corruption,OMG!
All the BS history taught in our schools!
Then please find another country to move TO if you hate the US that much. You're free to go unlike living in some dump like N Korea.
Don't forget your history...history's myths and heroes hold a nation together.
However, I am appalled that we claim to be this great patriotic nation yet we trash our civic and cultural monuments such as the city of Baltimore (for example...). Living in the UK at least temporarily has given me some appreciation for moving forward, yet honouring the past.
Right now, I don't think America is doing either very well.
What needs to be changed isn't...and what needs to be preserved is lying in ruin.
You honour our history by continually striving for something better, an ideal even if it is never achieved...it is the struggle (or lack there of) which will define who we are right now.
The only great things this nation has ever produced, was Thomas Jefferson, Lysander Spooner, and Ron Paul.
The biggest garbage in American history, #1 by a mile, Abraham Lincoln. Then Alexander Hamilton(and all his ilk, which are very prevalent in modern America).
If you've been taught that Abraham Lincoln was a "great man". You've been duped by the great American propaganda machine. And if you think the Emancipation Proclamation freed anyone, then you're a total moron.
America is built on perpetual myths. That doesn't mean there is nothing to be proud of as an American. It just means you have to wade through the crap to find the few diamonds.
This video is from a miniseries called "John Adams". It is a great show if you want to learn a little about "Real American history". Its based mostly on the letters of John Adams, and the letters of other key figures in early American History.
The clip shows John Adams' disgust with the rewriting of American History, which had already been going on even in the early years of our Republic.
The only great things this nation has ever produced, was Thomas Jefferson, Lysander Spooner, and Ron Paul.
So what I gather from this, is that your understanding of Thomas Jefferson is that he was 'for the little guy' and 'for the farmer'. He was a pretty terrible president and nearly tore the nation apart in civil war due to his complete lack of any concern for American industry. If Jefferson had had his way, we'd all still be subsistence farmers.
My issue is with those who brand you as an America Hater! if you dare admit that yes, we've made some mistakes along the way. The ONLY way mistakes ever get corrected is if they're existence is first acknowledged.
I think we've already acknowledged the existence of both slavery and wiping out most of the Indians. Anyone unaware of these dark places in US history is an idiot.
Now read the thread title.
By this definition, you shouldn't be proud to be a part of most indian tribes either because in many cases they were enslaving and wiping out rival tribes.
Quick question, how did Sacajawea wind up in Louis and Clarks expedition?
Bottom line is that there are some ugly parts of every countries history, every culture etc.
I think we've already acknowledged the existence of both slavery and wiping out most of the Indians. Anyone unaware of these dark places in US history is an idiot.
Now read the thread title.
By this definition, you shouldn't be proud to be a part of most indian tribes either because in many cases they were enslaving and wiping out rival tribes.
Quick question, how did Sacajawea wind up in Louis and Clarks expedition?
Bottom line is that there are some ugly parts of every countries history, every culture etc.
American Indians: them really dying off probably started with Spain, NOT what's now the US. Too; MOST of the AI's died of smallpox but NO 1 knew HOW smallpox was passed around till much later.
So what I gather from this, is that your understanding of Thomas Jefferson is that he was 'for the little guy' and 'for the farmer'. He was a pretty terrible president and nearly tore the nation apart in civil war due to his complete lack of any concern for American industry. If Jefferson had had his way, we'd all still be subsistence farmers.
First, he wasn't a "terrible president". The only questionable thing he actually did was the Embargo. And what should he have done instead?
Jefferson wasn't interested in industry, but he didn't attack industry, he just didn't want the government to actively sponsor industry. What industry wanted then, and what it still wants today, is grants, subsidies, and protections. It was the Hamiltonians who wanted to use the government to support industry on the basis that industry would support American "power".
Basically, Hamilton wanted to build an economic and military empire, he wasn't concerned about "freedom" of the individual. He wasn't concerned about virtues, or morals, or really anything. To Hamilton, it was all about power and greatness. He wanted to turn America into what it is today. An economic and military power, without a soul. A scumbag country full of arrogant scumbags, who think they are better than everyone else simply because they are richer and have the strongest military.
Basically, Jefferson wanted to prevent America from becoming the British Empire, and Hamilton loved the British Empire and wanted to emulate it near 100%.
Jefferson didn't want to make sure everyone would remain subsistence farmers. Jefferson wanted to make sure people could live completely independently if they wanted to. Because he believed that when people are dependent on the government or on the market, then they are never really free. And their servility makes them improper citizens. Instead of seeking to remain free, they will instead begin to demand more and more free stuff from others.
He wrote...
Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue. It is the focus in which he keeps alive that sacred fire, which otherwise might escape from the face of the earth. Corruption of morals in the mass of cultivators is a phenomenon of which no age nor nation has furnished an example. It is the mark set on those, who not looking up to heaven, to their own soil and industry, as does the husbandman, for their subsistence, depend for it on the casualties and caprice of customers. Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition....
The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigour. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.
He also said, "When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."
In short, Jefferson believed that virtue was always and forever in those who were truly independent. And that, the cities were always and forever the reservoirs of corruption, greed, and immorality.
Let me add, this is more of the scumbag Hamilton. At ~1:20, he discusses how some states had preferred "secession to union", and how he would invade those states if they attempted to leave the union. And that was probably in 1798 or 1799(John Adams was president). Basically, Hamilton was a scumbag, and the successor of Hamilton was the even larger scumbag, Abraham Lincoln. Who actually did act when the southern states seceded.
All we can do is acknowledge it and move on. It is, after all, history. Learn from it and do better in the future.
[water under the bridge]
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