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Old 05-22-2015, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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The progressive left's Margaret Sanger at her best:

"I will answer B. first because I consider that the world and almost our civilization for the next twenty-five years, is going to depend upon a simple, cheap, safe contraceptive to be used in poverty stricken slums, jungles, and among the most ignorant people. Even this will not be sufficient, because I believe that now, immediately, there should be national sterilization for certain dysgenic types of our population who are being encouraged to breed and would die out were the government not feeding them."

American Experience | The Pill | Primary Sources

_"Birth Control and Racial Betterment"_
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/w...Doc=143449.xml

Science wins again.
Ever notice that anyone who says "science wins again" is usually not scientifically literate.

First of all, historical context would be nice. I've seen your posts, and you seem to struggle with it. She made these remarks in 1919. What this means, quite specifically, was the eugenics was a popular idea because the Holocaust hadn't happened. Eugenics wasn't seen as a moral wrong until after Hitler's Nazi tyranny led to the attempted forced extinction of the Jews.

And, it was 1919. To hold the past to the exact same standards as today is simply unfair. Benjamin Franklin was a brilliant man and an active abolitionist post-Revoluiton, but he also owned slaves, even some after he became an abolitionist. Does that suddenly mean Benjamin Franklin was evil, or in your world view, a leftist?
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Old 05-22-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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Agreed. Tho to be fair; more and more "Muslim" countries have fast dropping birthrates. Iran's is less than 2 kids per woman in 2015.
The big story is pretty obvious -

Birth rate - Country Comparison
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Good point......not much outrage from Edison killing elephants to discover electricity.
If people were still actively killing elephants pretending it was good for them, this would be a good comparison.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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The big story is pretty obvious -

Birth rate - Country Comparison
Total fertility rate (TFR) compares figures for the average number of children that would be born per woman if all women lived to the end of their childbearing years and bore children according to a given fertility rate at each age. TFR is a more direct measure of the level of fertility than the crude birth rate, since it refers to births per woman.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...27rank.html#af
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Old 05-22-2015, 10:33 PM
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Ever notice that anyone who says "science wins again" is usually not scientifically literate.

First of all, historical context would be nice. I've seen your posts, and you seem to struggle with it. She made these remarks in 1919. What this means, quite specifically, was the eugenics was a popular idea because the Holocaust hadn't happened. Eugenics wasn't seen as a moral wrong until after Hitler's Nazi tyranny led to the attempted forced extinction of the Jews.

And, it was 1919. To hold the past to the exact same standards as today is simply unfair. Benjamin Franklin was a brilliant man and an active abolitionist post-Revoluiton, but he also owned slaves, even some after he became an abolitionist. Does that suddenly mean Benjamin Franklin was evil, or in your world view, a leftist?
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...+wins+again%22
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Old 05-23-2015, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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i.e., my original post is a total fail, so I'm gonna change the subject...

Yes, some scientists get things wrong. The great thing about science is that, when an idea proves wrong, it gets dropped.

And, BTW, there were scientists at the time who said - and demonstrated - that eugenics, like the similar social darwinism, was based on overly simplified ideas about heredity and natural selection. http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugen...fs.pl?theme=26

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Old 05-23-2015, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Margaret Sanger devoted her life to legalizing birth control and making it universally available for women. Whatever her flaws and mistakes, her work, tenacity, activism and bravery changed lives for the better, and not just women's lives.

I challenge her critics to find any other person who had more impact on the betterment of women's lives.
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